2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:15 pm

Above poster can you share which 6th Circuit judge (so that I know if he/she is done)?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:58 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Considering the madness that is the off-plan process, when should rising 2Ls start concerning themselves with Circuit and competitive District applications for 2015/2016? Should our ducks be in a row (recommenders lined up, writing sample done, etc) by early Fall?


As someone who just went through the process as a 2L, I'd say you should be ready to send apps to the most competitive COA judges as soon as fall semester grades come out (so, January at most schools). That ideally would mean you'd have recommendations ready by then as well. Make clear in your cover letter that law review elections haven't happened yet, and then send an addendum when they do. I sent some apps in late Feb. after that stuff had happened, to make sure my resume was as strong as possible, and it was already too late for some judges.

With that said, it was also clearly much too early for some other judges. The timing of this process is almost impossible to gauge, but do your best to find information about when individual judges have hired in past years and are hiring in your year. Send early, but only to those judges that will actually consider your application early. Oscar posts from the previous hiring cycle (meaning this one) are your friend in this regard. If a judge updated her profile in early February 2013, and hasn't since, and the info says she has completed hiring, you can put 2 and 2 together.

Oh, and connections + professor calls rule all. That's more important than any of my above advice.


This. Get your ducks in a row starting in the fall. Talk to your recommenders before Fall exams to give them a heads up and get a place in line. Work on CLs, writing samples, etc.. over Christmas. Be ready to send apps out in late January / early February, after you get 3rd semester grades.

I personally waited until March to send apps in order to get my LR position and to find out about publication offers. Sending out apps in March, I was not late per se, but I was behind the curve for some judges. Some circuits in general run early it seems (the 2nd and 4th for example), whereas in other circuits, only some judges hire early (for example, feeders or Judge Clement in the 5th). Some judges will hireafter three semesters of grades and some will require four semesters.

My suggestion: unless you know they are on Plan for sure, assume they are off Plan and send paper apps. I followed this plan and received several interviews, both circuit and district, and just accepted an offer with a COA judge.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:41 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on Srinivasan beyond the previously reported single 2013 hire? Any word on his hiring situation for future terms?

Srinivasan is reportedly done for 2013-'14 and is hiring for 2014-'15 this week and next. He's hired at least one already.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:55 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on Srinivasan beyond the previously reported single 2013 hire? Any word on his hiring situation for future terms?

Srinivasan is reportedly done for 2013-'14 and is hiring for 2014-'15 this week and next. He's hired at least one already.


Thanks. Any idea if all his 2014-15 interview invites have already gone out?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:34 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on Srinivasan beyond the previously reported single 2013 hire? Any word on his hiring situation for future terms?

Srinivasan is reportedly done for 2013-'14 and is hiring for 2014-'15 this week and next. He's hired at least one already.


Thanks. Any idea if all his 2014-15 interview invites have already gone out?

Don't know, sorry. My sense from my own clerkship hunt is that if you are someone who has a professor who's willing to make phone calls, this is exactly the time you want them to call (since it's clearly not too late for him to add one more interview to the schedule).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:44 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on Srinivasan beyond the previously reported single 2013 hire? Any word on his hiring situation for future terms?

Srinivasan is reportedly done for 2013-'14 and is hiring for 2014-'15 this week and next. He's hired at least one already.


Thanks. Any idea if all his 2014-15 interview invites have already gone out?

Don't know, sorry. My sense from my own clerkship hunt is that if you are someone who has a professor who's willing to make phone calls, this is exactly the time you want them to call (since it's clearly not too late for him to add one more interview to the schedule).


Thanks. Much appreciated.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:01 am

Good luck everyone tomorrow!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:08 am

Just realized my cover letter to a judge I'm particularly interested in says 14-15 term, but I would definitely do 15-16, and they are hiring 15-16 as well. I sent this app via mail (solicited from my school), but there's a 15-16 slot on OSCAR.

Should I do nothing (they'll call or not regardless), update chambers somehow (I have one or two very minor updates to my resume anyway), or apply on Oscar for the 15-16 slot?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:13 am

It depends - if they're interviewing for '15-16 RIGHT NOW (or, well, starting tomorrow) then I would try to update chambers. Otherwise I would apply via OSCAR for the 15-16 slot.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:15 am

lolwat wrote:It depends - if they're interviewing for '15-16 RIGHT NOW (or, well, starting tomorrow) then I would try to update chambers. Otherwise I would apply via OSCAR for the 15-16 slot.


I think they're adhering to the plan for rising 3Ls. There's still a spot for 14-15 as well, but 15-16 hiring will be done concurrently. But I think they're starting tomorrow. What's the best way to update chambers?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:20 am

Well, that sucks. I'm not really sure, honestly. Maybe overnight an updated cover letter + resume in today, since your original application was sent via mail. This is especially relevant since you have a couple minor updates to your resume. If it were literally just "I would like to also be considered for 2015-16! :D!" then I probably would've just applied on OSCAR.

I have no idea how the chambers might react to that. If we were looking at applications tomorrow and some hard copy of some guy's resume came in we'd probably take a brief look just because it's right there when we're in hiring mode. Better than no look.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:19 pm

Anyone garner an interview today?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone garner an interview today?


Received a phone call for an interview next week in the northeast (EDNY, SDNY, EDPA) this morning. Have two others scheduled for next week from other districts as well.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:06 pm

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Asked former state judge i externed with who has close ties with federal judge I am applying for to cold call. state judge said that cold calls are against the rules. Is this bullshit or is the state judge actually following the rules?


Some judges have general policies against this. Some will not write recs, etc. It could be construed as misusing the position.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Asked former state judge i externed with who has close ties with federal judge I am applying for to cold call. state judge said that cold calls are against the rules. Is this bullshit or is the state judge actually following the rules?


I don't think it's bullshit. My (federal) judge won't make cold calls and I believe he won't write recommendations, for the same stated reason as above. I do think he would talk to close friends (not just colleagues but actually friends) and such, but that's a slightly different matter at that point, I think.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:19 pm

Thanks. I didn't know if the judge just didn't like me anymore or if the judge was playing it straight. At least judge is providing me a rec.; didn't know that even was perceived as improper. I know from writing them for the judge in the past the judge doesn't use official letterhead for that reason. But didn't know that some didn't write them to begin with.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:22 pm

Yeah, I know of judges who are happy to take calls and talk about you, but not willing to make calls due to it looking like it's misusing the position.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:24 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Yeah, I know of judges who are happy to take calls and talk about you, but not willing to make calls due to it looking like it's misusing the position.


Yea judge said he/she needed to be called first.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:29 pm

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A. Nony Mouse wrote:Yeah, I know of judges who are happy to take calls and talk about you, but not willing to make calls due to it looking like it's misusing the position.


Yea judge said he/she needed to be called first.


Yep, same.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:04 am

Relevant question: Is it rude/looked down upon to turn down interview invitations from a judge? I know it's almost a crime punishable by death to turn down a clerkship offer, but what about just turning down an interview?

Thanks...

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Flips88 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:Relevant question: Is it rude/looked down upon to turn down interview invitations from a judge? I know it's almost a crime punishable by death to turn down a clerkship offer, but what about just turning down an interview?

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The question then is why did you even apply?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:36 am

Anonymous User wrote:Relevant question: Is it rude/looked down upon to turn down interview invitations from a judge? I know it's almost a crime punishable by death to turn down a clerkship offer, but what about just turning down an interview?

Thanks...


I would think from a practical standpoint it would be better to turn down the interview than to go to the interview and (1) express no interest in the position or (2) decline the position if offered. Going to the interview would take up a spot that could have gone to a very interested candidate (your bottom choice may be someone's dream), plus it is a waste of the judge's time. Nevertheless, I would withdraw the application now so that you are not put in that awkward position (and if you get a call for an interview after withdrawing at least you can say that you already withdrew).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Tyrion Lannister » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:41 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Relevant question: Is it rude/looked down upon to turn down interview invitations from a judge? I know it's almost a crime punishable by death to turn down a clerkship offer, but what about just turning down an interview?

Thanks...


I would think from a practical standpoint it would be better to turn down the interview than to go to the interview and (1) express no interest in the position or (2) decline the position if offered. Going to the interview would take up a spot that could have gone to a very interested candidate (your bottom choice may be someone's dream), plus it is a waste of the judge's time. Nevertheless, I would withdraw the application now so that you are not put in that awkward position (and if you get a call for an interview after withdrawing at least you can say that you already withdrew).


This.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:46 am

The question then is why did you even apply?


I can think of some reasons why someone might apply but no longer be interested by the time the interview invitation comes along. Most of the time you could have withdrawn from consideration before that occurs, but as an obvious example, if you've sent an application via mail to Judge X, accepted an offer from Judge Y, and Judge X calls to interview a day later, well, you're turning that down but you didn't really have the time to withdraw. Likely not the situation that's happening here, but still.

But yes, turning down an interview is better than going to it. At the very least, if you turn it down you could really just say you've already received/accepted an offer (or something, even if it's a lie).




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