2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:55 am

Does anyone know which 2nd Circuit judges are still accepting applications? Thanks!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:01 pm

Anything new to report? Oscar has a few more positions listed as full for the COA judges.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:01 pm

I know applying to clerkships is an incredibly competitive process, but I am getting so down about myself because of the radio silence. I'm top 5% at a lower T14 and had professors with personal connections call, and still nothing. I'm off to a V5 lit department this summer and hate that I'm going to feel really unconfident in my abilities going into it.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:14 pm

Getting a clerkship has nothing to do with your abilities (certainly not any abilities that would affect your ability to perform well this summer). You shouldn't feel down on yourself.




...or was that a humble brag?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby ExBiglawAssociate » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:06 pm

Getting a clerkship is insanely random/unpredictable compared to getting a biglaw job. Some judges straight up pick people they like without really caring about their grades. You won't find this at any biglaw firm. Don't feel bad about striking out when it comes to clerkships. You're definitely not the first top 5% t14er to strike out.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:58 am

Does anyone know on average how many interviews a judge does per open spot? I guess I am wondering if it is closer to 2-3, or 5-10, or 10-15?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know on average how many interviews a judge does per open spot? I guess I am wondering if it is closer to 2-3, or 5-10, or 10-15?


I interviewed with two judges: one interviewed 4, the other 5.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:38 am

I had one 9th Cir. interview and the judge was interviewing 7-8 candidates for three spots (one was hired last year). I also had a Dist. Ct. interview and he was interviewing suitable candidates on a rolling basis until filled.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:40 am

Varies by judge, no doubt, but my general sense is 2 or at most 3 for every available opening. Lots of judges, especially now that the Plan is more or less dead, give offers on a rolling basis, and the quality of candidates is high enough that the spots get snapped up pretty quickly.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:57 am

My experience is limited to district court judges, but certainly some judges interview a large number of candidates per open spot. One judge interviewed about 12-15 candidates for two open spots. Another interviewed about 20-25 candidates for two open spots. These first two judges were hiring according to the Plan, and it seems like their policy was to interview a large number of candidates up front and then send out offers after a week or two of deliberation (i.e. no rolling or on-the-spot offers). Though I have less data on the third judge, I think he interviewed about 6-10 candidates for one open spot. And the fourth judge interviewed about 25-30 candidates for three open spots. Neither of these latter two judges made on-the-spot offers either.

*Note: All of the judges were in major cities.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:05 pm

It really does depend on the judge. Very generally, I would guess that the average is around 2-3 interviewees per spot. But I have heard of judges who have interviewed as many as 20-25 candidates for three or four spots. On the other end of the spectrum, I know some judges do a ton of due dilligence ahead of time (call all of your references, call your summer firm) and then only conduct interviews as a formality (i.e. strong presumption that you will get the spot).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:32 pm

School range: Top 100
Rank: Median, hopefully higher after finals.
LR?: Secondary, E-Board
Published?: Yes
Recs: 2, both professors at my school. Nothing to write home about in terms of prestige.
2L/3L/Alum?: 2L
Where applying?: Mid-Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD) and Chicago/Milwaukee areas (ties out there).

Should I not even bother with Fed Dist. Courts? I'd like to do it anyway (not a big fan of "what if"), but should I be prepared to not get a single interview?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Flips88 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:School range: Top 100
Rank: Median, hopefully higher after finals.
LR?: Secondary, E-Board
Published?: Yes
Recs: 2, both professors at my school. Nothing to write home about in terms of prestige.
2L/3L/Alum?: 2L
Where applying?: Mid-Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD) and Chicago/Milwaukee areas (ties out there).

Should I not even bother with Fed Dist. Courts? I'd like to do it anyway (not a big fan of "what if"), but should I be prepared to not get a single interview?

Pretty much dead in the water. Median students at lower T14 are lucky if they get interviews.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:56 pm

Flips88 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School range: Top 100
Rank: Median, hopefully higher after finals.
LR?: Secondary, E-Board
Published?: Yes
Recs: 2, both professors at my school. Nothing to write home about in terms of prestige.
2L/3L/Alum?: 2L
Where applying?: Mid-Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD) and Chicago/Milwaukee areas (ties out there).

Should I not even bother with Fed Dist. Courts? I'd like to do it anyway (not a big fan of "what if"), but should I be prepared to not get a single interview?

Pretty much dead in the water. Median students at lower T14 are lucky if they get interviews.

I agree with this, unless you have some kind of connection. Also, a lot of judges ask for 3 LORs.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:16 pm

Quick question: My overall goal is to clerk federally. But my ideal goal would be to clerk for a COA judge. What if you have a district court interview lined up in a not-very competitive district and you then get an invitation to interview for a COA judge in a flyover circuit and this interview is scheduled after the district interview, what should you do? Cancel the district court interview? Try to reschedule the COA interview before the district court one? Or is it such a low chance of getting an exploding offer from the district court judge that you can run the risk of doing the district court interview first and then the COA one?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Quick question: My overall goal is to clerk federally. But my ideal goal would be to clerk for a COA judge. What if you have a district court interview lined up in a not-very competitive district and you then get an invitation to interview for a COA judge in a flyover circuit and this interview is scheduled after the district interview, what should you do? Cancel the district court interview? Try to reschedule the COA interview before the district court one? Or is it such a low chance of getting an exploding offer from the district court judge that you can run the risk of doing the district court interview first and then the COA one?


Do district court first, see what happens. If you happen to get an offer, explain you have another interview scheduled and if you could have time to interview there before making a decision. If the judge says you have to decide on the spot, then just accept and see if you can be considered for 2015 with the COA judge. If you don't get an offer on the spot or before the COA interview, go to that interview and say you are open to either 2014 or 2015.

Also I would keep the district court judge in the loop on your interviewing plans.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:30 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Quick question: My overall goal is to clerk federally. But my ideal goal would be to clerk for a COA judge. What if you have a district court interview lined up in a not-very competitive district and you then get an invitation to interview for a COA judge in a flyover circuit and this interview is scheduled after the district interview, what should you do? Cancel the district court interview? Try to reschedule the COA interview before the district court one? Or is it such a low chance of getting an exploding offer from the district court judge that you can run the risk of doing the district court interview first and then the COA one?


Do district court first, see what happens. If you happen to get an offer, explain you have another interview scheduled and if you could have time to interview there before making a decision. If the judge says you have to decide on the spot, then just accept and see if you can be considered for 2015 with the COA judge. If you don't get an offer on the spot or before the COA interview, go to that interview and say you are open to either 2014 or 2015.

Also I would keep the district court judge in the loop on your interviewing plans.

You mean call the district court's chambers and tell the JA that I have an interview scheduled after with COA judge X?

Also, has anyone ever gotten a "statement of interest" call? JA called and said my application had been set aside for further review by the judge, and to send my second semester 2L grades as soon as I get them. Obviously, this is good news, but its also not an interview. Has anyone had this happen or know of any judges that typically do this, and if so, thoughts on chances of getting an interview?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby theaccidentalclerk » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:51 am

You mean call the district court's chambers and tell the JA that I have an interview scheduled after with COA judge X?


No. Go on the district court interview. Don't mention the COA interview. You probably won't get an offer before it (either because you don't get an offer, or you do but the judge doesn't decide for a bit). If you do get an offer before the COA interview, explain to the district court judge that you have a COA interview scheduled, and you'd like to see what happens there. S/he might say OK, s/he might say no. If s/he says no, I'd probably accept the district court offer (bird in the hand and all). Then -- and only then -- call the COA chambers and explain that you accepted a clerkship with the district court judge but would like to be considered for the following term. Again, they might still want to interview and they might not.

Incidentally, for those wondering about numbers of interviewees and spots, we just finished interviewing six people for two spots.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:24 pm

The judge I'll be clerking for interviewed 3 people for 1 spot.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:25 pm

Boudin (1st cir) has finished hiring.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Tyrion Lannister » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Boudin (1st cir) has finished hiring.


Are you sure about this info? I heard last week that he hadn't even started looking at apps.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:42 pm

I heard last week that he was finished hiring for 2014.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I heard last week that he was finished hiring for 2014.


Well, presumably he's only hiring one clerk now that he's gone senior...

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby fredflint299 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:19 pm

How long does it take for judges to respond?

If we do not hear in a week or so, should we assume it's a rejection?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I heard last week that he was finished hiring for 2014.


Well, presumably he's only hiring one clerk now that he's gone senior...


Most senior status judges I know of still have at least two, and sometimes three, clerks. Unless Judge Boudin has chosen to drastically reduce his caseload to something like 25% (which is possible), I doubt he has only one clerk.




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