2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby ClerkAdvisor » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:15 am

Anonymous User wrote:Checking in. Had a COA interview last week, haven't heard back yet.. the suspense is killing me. The more time that passes, the dimmer my hopes get..


It really depends on the judge and the hiring process. I've known judges who have interviewed an entire group of candidates before making decisions and others who just do rolling interviews. Although the odds become lower as time passes, you're not out of the running until you've heard that the judge has finished hiring.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:40 am

ClerkAdvisor wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Checking in. Had a COA interview last week, haven't heard back yet.. the suspense is killing me. The more time that passes, the dimmer my hopes get..


It really depends on the judge and the hiring process. I've known judges who have interviewed an entire group of candidates before making decisions and others who just do rolling interviews. Although the odds become lower as time passes, you're not out of the running until you've heard that the judge has finished hiring.


The judge said he was going to do a few more interviews in "the coming days" before getting back to me, so I'm hoping that is still going on. My stats make me a long-shot candidate to begin with though, which adds to my anxiety. Oh well, at least it's still relatively early in the general hiring cycle.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:
ClerkAdvisor wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Checking in. Had a COA interview last week, haven't heard back yet.. the suspense is killing me. The more time that passes, the dimmer my hopes get..


It really depends on the judge and the hiring process. I've known judges who have interviewed an entire group of candidates before making decisions and others who just do rolling interviews. Although the odds become lower as time passes, you're not out of the running until you've heard that the judge has finished hiring.


The judge said he was going to do a few more interviews in "the coming days" before getting back to me, so I'm hoping that is still going on. My stats make me a long-shot candidate to begin with though, which adds to my anxiety. Oh well, at least it's still relatively early in the general hiring cycle.

how did you get the interview?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:Care to share a source re: Cole? As of early last week, chambers was saying the judge stuck to the plan for 2Ls.


Call to chambers on Monday. Talked to the JA for a few minutes, who said that Cole had just decided to open up the hiring process in response to earlier movement across the board this year and a flood of interest from anxious applicants/2Ls.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:29 pm

O'Scannlain is full, per OSCAR.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:52 am

I am having a hard time converting interviews into offers and really not sure where I am going wrong. I've had 3 CoA interviews so far but have not had any luck getting offers despite feeling like the interviews went really well. Perhaps this is not so unusual considering that each judge only has a couple of spots available and could decide between candidates based on very idiosyncratic preferences, but I am starting to get a little worried that there is something wrong with how I am interviewing.

For the people who have received offers already (or clerks who are conducting the interviews), do you have any advice on converting the interview into an offer? I think that I have the basics covered (able to discuss some of the judge's published opinions / explain why I am interested in this particular clerkship) but I am worried that I am missing something. I did not have much trouble receiving SA offers from law firms in OCI yet the clerkship process feels so much more challenging.

Any advice is appreciated!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am having a hard time converting interviews into offers and really not sure where I am going wrong. I've had 3 CoA interviews so far but have not had any luck getting offers despite feeling like the interviews went really well. Perhaps this is not so unusual considering that each judge only has a couple of spots available and could decide between candidates based on very idiosyncratic preferences, but I am starting to get a little worried that there is something wrong with how I am interviewing.

For the people who have received offers already (or clerks who are conducting the interviews), do you have any advice on converting the interview into an offer? I think that I have the basics covered (able to discuss some of the judge's published opinions / explain why I am interested in this particular clerkship) but I am worried that I am missing something. I did not have much trouble receiving SA offers from law firms in OCI yet the clerkship process feels so much more challenging.

Any advice is appreciated!

I can't really give any advice other than to offer my empathy. I had 6 COA interviews last cycle and got an offer on the last one. It is a very strange process and IME the judges were interviewing LOTS of candidates for very few spots. It's really just a matter of whether you "click" with the judge. If you have the stats, and you are a decent interviewer, you'll do alright. Keep hope alive!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am having a hard time converting interviews into offers and really not sure where I am going wrong. I've had 3 CoA interviews so far but have not had any luck getting offers despite feeling like the interviews went really well. Perhaps this is not so unusual considering that each judge only has a couple of spots available and could decide between candidates based on very idiosyncratic preferences, but I am starting to get a little worried that there is something wrong with how I am interviewing.

For the people who have received offers already (or clerks who are conducting the interviews), do you have any advice on converting the interview into an offer? I think that I have the basics covered (able to discuss some of the judge's published opinions / explain why I am interested in this particular clerkship) but I am worried that I am missing something. I did not have much trouble receiving SA offers from law firms in OCI yet the clerkship process feels so much more challenging.

Any advice is appreciated!

are you a 2l? when did you send out these CoA apps and how long after mailing did you hear back with interview invites?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:46 pm

Is it bad form to ask professors to make calls for you? Is this usually something professors offer themselves or is it normal to ask if they know anyone or would be willing to make calls?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby TatteredDignity » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:33 pm

Can any current clerks speak to how necessary it is to use the official OSCAR undergraduate grade sheet when mailing out paper applications? Can I just use an official or unofficial transcript as provided by my school?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is it bad form to ask professors to make calls for you? Is this usually something professors offer themselves or is it normal to ask if they know anyone or would be willing to make calls?


It it definitely OK to ask professors if they would be willing to make calls. They may not say yes, but it is definitely not bad form to ask.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:07 pm

TatteredDignity wrote:Can any current clerks speak to how necessary it is to use the official OSCAR undergraduate grade sheet when mailing out paper applications? Can I just use an official or unofficial transcript as provided by my school?

You do not have to use the official undergrad grade sheet. I never printed a thing off Oscar, just used a copy (unofficial) of the (official) UG transcript.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby TatteredDignity » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:32 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
TatteredDignity wrote:Can any current clerks speak to how necessary it is to use the official OSCAR undergraduate grade sheet when mailing out paper applications? Can I just use an official or unofficial transcript as provided by my school?

You do not have to use the official undergrad grade sheet. I never printed a thing off Oscar, just used a copy (unofficial) of the (official) UG transcript.


Thanks.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:07 pm

On the "calling judges" topic, does anyone have experience in asking professors to call from a school that does not typically place students in clerkships? I have never heard of anyone asking at my school. I am in an interesting position though as a current clerk seeking a second clerkship. Thank you for your help!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:13 am

Friend of mine got an interview and offer with a USDC Judge in Florida. Seems like even some USDC judges are moving early this year.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:04 am

Does anyone know anything about what the 2nd circuit is going to be doing (plan/no plan)? I heard a decision was going to be made this week.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:51 am

Anyone have any 2014 hiring status info for the following judges:
Chin (2d Cir.)
Newman (2d Cir.)
Nguyen (9th Cir.)
Paez (9th Cir.)

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:30 am

School range: CCN
Rank: ~5%
LR?: No. Board of secondary.
Published?: Yes
Recs: a good one and an okay one from well-known professors, one okay one from a superstar (e.g. Sunstein)
2L/3L/Alum?: 2L

Sent out a handful of COA apps. Got a non-feeder on the 6th/8th/10th Circuit. Happy to be avoiding the plan. Good luck, everyone.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:32 am

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know anything about what the 2nd circuit is going to be doing (plan/no plan)? I heard a decision was going to be made this week.


I'm at NYU, and we've been hearing that they're meeting "this week" for two or three weeks. No one seems to really know.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Haymarket » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:27 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any 2014 hiring status info for the following judges:
Chin (2d Cir.)
Newman (2d Cir.)
Nguyen (9th Cir.)
Paez (9th Cir.)


According to OSCAR, Chin claims he's sticking with the Plan, IIRC.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby elipad » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any 2014 hiring status info for the following judges:
Chin (2d Cir.)
Newman (2d Cir.)
Nguyen (9th Cir.)
Paez (9th Cir.)


Nguyen is finished; she spoke at our school recently.

Further, Wardlaw has also completed her hiring (call from chambers).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:19 pm

School range: MVP
Rank: 10-5%
LR?: Secondary EIC
Published?: No
Recs: Average
2L/3L/Alum?: 2L
Where applying?: 5th circuit COA and District
Any other factors: Decent work experience. Not spectacular but not trivial.

Curveball for me is I'm a transfer. Was top 10% at T-25 before. Have one semester of grades at current school that would put me roughly top 10 - 5%.

How competitive am I for 5th circuit COAs and the more competitive 5th circuit District Courts? My guess is toss up for COA, decent shot at a good District judge.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How competitive am I for 5th circuit COAs and the more competitive 5th circuit District Courts? My guess is toss up for COA, decent shot at a good District judge.


Your guess sounds about right. If I were you, I would try for both, but would especially target district courts. And then you can apply for COA as a 3L (if you're open to doing two years).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:11 pm

Judge Wood (CA7) is full

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 03/01/13

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:21 pm

Carolyn King in the Fifth Circuit is full.




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