Cornell Law Class of 2015

(housing, friendships, future exams, all things 2015)

Which ASW date will you attend?

March 30th
20
33%
April 13th
16
26%
Both
2
3%
Neither
23
38%
 
Total votes: 61

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby paulshortys10 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:23 pm

I've chosen Cornell, they definitely put the best offer on the table. Will definitely be looking for housing options during ASW next week.

Some more of ya'll have to join the Cornell/TLS FB group!

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby POSERmyLOVE » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:32 pm

I just purchased my plane ticket and reserved a hotel from thursday until Sunday. So, if any girls would like to share a hotel room for that weekend I can take up to 3 more girls :) just PM me!

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:36 pm

Estef_22 wrote:
sf88 wrote:For those who are pretty sure about Cornell, where's everyone thinking of living?


I was wondering about this too...Looks like Collegetown is really over-priced for what you get. And living with roommates (to keep costs down) seems pretty risky for 1L. Any thoughts from people that are knowledgeable about Ithaca housing?


Lower collegetown is, in my opinion, the best balance of cost/ distance. And finding a roommate can work out really well as long as you're a normal person and vet them properly. I've really loved living with my roommie- one of my best friends here.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby msblaw89 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:37 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
Estef_22 wrote:
sf88 wrote:For those who are pretty sure about Cornell, where's everyone thinking of living?


I was wondering about this too...Looks like Collegetown is really over-priced for what you get. And living with roommates (to keep costs down) seems pretty risky for 1L. Any thoughts from people that are knowledgeable about Ithaca housing?


Lower collegetown is, in my opinion, the best balance of cost/ distance. And finding a roommate can work out really well as long as you're a normal person and vet them properly. I've really loved living with my roommie- one of my best friends here.


Is your roommate a law student?

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:56 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
Estef_22 wrote:
sf88 wrote:For those who are pretty sure about Cornell, where's everyone thinking of living?


I was wondering about this too...Looks like Collegetown is really over-priced for what you get. And living with roommates (to keep costs down) seems pretty risky for 1L. Any thoughts from people that are knowledgeable about Ithaca housing?


Lower collegetown is, in my opinion, the best balance of cost/ distance. And finding a roommate can work out really well as long as you're a normal person and vet them properly. I've really loved living with my roommie- one of my best friends here.


Is your roommate a law student?


Yah he's another 1L- sorry if that wasn't clear.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby MrShneebly » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:15 pm

I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby paulshortys10 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:46 pm

MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby MrShneebly » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:50 pm

paulshortys10 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.


Written by a 3L. I'm assuming he's drawing from his own experience.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:53 pm

MrShneebly wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.


Written by a 3L. I'm assuming he's drawing from his own experience.


I dunno I really like it here. Seems like a roflcopter.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby johansantana21 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 pm

MrShneebly wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.


Written by a 3L. I'm assuming he's drawing from his own experience.


Lots of unemployed 2Ls here. Dunno about 3Ls. Take it as a warning.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:00 pm

johansantana21 wrote:"Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.

Not what I've heard or experienced...

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby msblaw89 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:03 pm

MrShneebly wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.


Written by a 3L. I'm assuming he's drawing from his own experience.


I mean it sounds eerie...but the 45,000 graduates who apply for 25,000 jobs includes Charlotte School of Law and that bogusness...right? If its 45,000 out of all law schools and more than half get jobs...I'm not entirely worried

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby johansantana21 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:11 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:
paulshortys10 wrote:
MrShneebly wrote:I might get flamed for posting this, but I just saw this on the daily sun and wanted some input from current students.

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2012/03/02/dont-go-law-school

Arbiter? Indicative of a good sum of the class or an outlier? To rofl or not to rofl, that is the question.


The majority of TLS seems to have the same sentiment regarding going into a lot of debt at a T14+ law school. Not really sure how this article applies to Cornell though.


Written by a 3L. I'm assuming he's drawing from his own experience.


I mean it sounds eerie...but the 45,000 graduates who apply for 25,000 jobs includes Charlotte School of Law and that bogusness...right? If its 45,000 out of all law schools and more than half get jobs...I'm not entirely worried


You should be, the curve fucks you up.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby johansantana21 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:13 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:"Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.

Not what I've heard or experienced...


Maybe I hang out with 2L losers.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:55 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
Arbiter213 wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:"Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.

Not what I've heard or experienced...


Maybe I hang out with 2L losers.


More like I hang out with 2L gunners. :oops:

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Lincoln » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:00 am

johansantana21 wrote:Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.


Define "lots." This goes counter to my impression. I knew three out of maybe 50 who went empty-handed at AJF/OCI and at least one of them now has a firm job. Naturally, people who don't have jobs are probably not shouting it from the rooftops, but "lots" seems inaccurate.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby MrShneebly » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:17 pm

Thanks guys. I thought the article did rehash a lot of points made frequently on this board, and it's a little more disconcerting from a 3L in light of the most recent NLJ percentages. However, it seems like OCI has picked up quite a bit.

This is only semi related, but I saw that Willkie Farr is hosting a bagel breakfast on campus for 1Ls soon. That is awesome.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Mr. Somebody » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:18 pm

Lincoln wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.


Define "lots." This goes counter to my impression. I knew three out of maybe 50 who went empty-handed at AJF/OCI and at least one of them now has a firm job. Naturally, people who don't have jobs are probably not shouting it from the rooftops, but "lots" seems inaccurate.


Unfortunately you could both be right. You could know lots of people with jobs and he could know lots without them. But I would also like to hear a number. IF you say something like that specifics are helpful to us anxious 0L's.....

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:30 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.


Define "lots." This goes counter to my impression. I knew three out of maybe 50 who went empty-handed at AJF/OCI and at least one of them now has a firm job. Naturally, people who don't have jobs are probably not shouting it from the rooftops, but "lots" seems inaccurate.


Unfortunately you could both be right. You could know lots of people with jobs and he could know lots without them. But I would also like to hear a number. IF you say something like that specifics are helpful to us anxious 0L's.....


Look at the NLJ numbers. That's his year.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby msblaw89 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:35 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
Mr. Somebody wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Lots of unemployed 2Ls here.


Define "lots." This goes counter to my impression. I knew three out of maybe 50 who went empty-handed at AJF/OCI and at least one of them now has a firm job. Naturally, people who don't have jobs are probably not shouting it from the rooftops, but "lots" seems inaccurate.


Unfortunately you could both be right. You could know lots of people with jobs and he could know lots without them. But I would also like to hear a number. IF you say something like that specifics are helpful to us anxious 0L's.....


Look at the NLJ numbers. That's his year.


Did Cornell fall to #11 because of unemployment? Or because more of the class of 2011 didn't want biglaw? Anyone know?

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:44 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
Did Cornell fall to #11 because of unemployment? Or because more of the class of 2011 didn't want biglaw? Anyone know?


Class of *2012 was the first doing OCI after the crash. What do you think?

I'm dumb and forgot what year it is.
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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby MrShneebly » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:51 pm

The author is class of 2012, FWIW.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby Arbiter213 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:02 pm

MrShneebly wrote:The author is class of 2012, FWIW.


Yah my bad on the typo, I meant 2012. I forget what year it is sometimes.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby woeisme » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:34 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
msblaw89 wrote:
Did Cornell fall to #11 because of unemployment? Or because more of the class of 2011 didn't want biglaw? Anyone know?


Class of *2012 was the first doing OCI after the crash. What do you think?

I'm dumb and forgot what year it is.


No, class of 2011 was.

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Re: Cornell Law Class of 2015

Postby woeisme » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:43 pm

msblaw89 wrote:
Did Cornell fall to #11 because of unemployment? Or because more of the class of 2011 didn't want biglaw? Anyone know?


Probably a mix of unemployment and clerkships. I'm class of 2011 so I can speak to this a bit. Also, I do know that a number of people have gotten jobs (many with large firms) after graduation.

For what it's worth, I think that as compared to some of its peers, Cornell is pretty bad (which I guess is good?) at gaming these statistics. I know people at NYU, Duke, and Northwestern who have told me some of the schemes their career services employ (like setting up temporary post-graduate unpaid internships with NLJ 250 firms and then counting those towards employment stats). Cornell doesn't game the system like that. I'm not sure what the rest of the T-14 does, though.

Ultimately, I think rankings of any sort need to be taken with a grain of salt and looked at overtime. Overall and across time, the bottom half of the T-14 (PBVMDCNG) will continue to place comparably in biglaw, with some differences as between particular firms and particular regions.




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