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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:57 pm 
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in soviet arizona, law breaks you


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =120069519

I find this fucked up too. Being afraid to set legal precedence in the face of an egregious exception, what a test what a test.


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I can't wait to see how it comes out. My prediction: Scalia breaks ranks and comes down in favor of liability.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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Renzo wrote:
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the sherrif is the same one who deputized shaq


The guy's an attention-whoring D-bag. People who care about civil liberties ought to stop griping about prosecuting Bush and go after him.

Because (1) Arpaio had people tortured and (2) the two are mutually exclusive.

Does Arizona elect sheriffs and judges?


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Marmot wrote:
Renzo wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:
the sherrif is the same one who deputized shaq


The guy's an attention-whoring D-bag. People who care about civil liberties ought to stop griping about prosecuting Bush and go after him.

Because (1) Arpaio had people tortured and (2) the two are mutually exclusive.

Does Arizona elect sheriffs and judges?


But one is never going anywhere, and the other could stop an ongoing problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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Renzo wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:
the sherrif is the same one who deputized shaq


The guy's an attention-whoring D-bag. People who care about civil liberties ought to stop griping about prosecuting Bush and go after him.


+1


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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come on people.

i think you [all] need to just take a deep breath and calm down.

i can't even believe how much I hate 90% of cops.


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Jones, Dow wrote:
come on people.

i think you [all] need to just take a deep breath and calm down.

i can't even believe how much I hate 90% of cops.


In United States of America, cop hate you. Especially if you're a lawyer, although it stinks more of fear and insecurity.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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shadowfrost000 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120069519

I find this fucked up too. Being afraid to set legal precedence in the face of an egregious exception, what a test what a test.


Can't you just rule that you can't sue a prosecutor for negligence? That should keep the liability floodgates closed while addressing the (alleged) deliberate machinations of the prosecutor.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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soullesswonder wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120069519

I find this fucked up too. Being afraid to set legal precedence in the face of an egregious exception, what a test what a test.


Can't you just rule that you can't sue a prosecutor for negligence? That should keep the liability floodgates closed while addressing the (alleged) deliberate machinations of the prosecutor.


The rule now is that prosecutors absolute immunity for anything they do as part of being a prosecutor. The question now is if this immunity extends to the investigative phase, before any charges or actual court proceedings have started.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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Marmot wrote:
Renzo wrote:
kings84_wr wrote:
the sherrif is the same one who deputized shaq


The guy's an attention-whoring D-bag. People who care about civil liberties ought to stop griping about prosecuting Bush and go after him.

Because (1) Arpaio had people tortured and (2) the two are mutually exclusive.

Does Arizona elect sheriffs and judges?


Sheriffs are elected officials. We also have Justices of the Peace, who are elected. They only handle small civil matters and things with small fines, nothing substantial.

The issue with Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department is interesting. Even though Arpaio is clearly violating citizen's rights, he keeps getting re-elected. I think this happens because he plays with the fears of the stereotypical, conservative whites who live in Maricopa county. Think of the people who attend Sarah Palin rallies. In Arizona, there are ALOT of these types, and many of them reside in Maricopa county, probably due to the fact that Maricopa county is far more conservative than most of the rest of the state. Its an interesting situation, because his tactics would have gotten him recalled in Pima county.

Anyways, maybe I will transfer back home and focus on civil rights related law. I am actually considering this so I can restore some measure of respectability to the rights of Arizonans. We will see.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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macattaq wrote:

The issue with Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department is interesting. Even though Arpaio is clearly violating citizen's rights, he keeps getting re-elected. I think this happens because he plays with the fears of the stereotypical, conservative whites who live in Maricopa county. Think of the people who attend Sarah Palin rallies. In Arizona, there are ALOT of these types, and many of them reside in Maricopa county, probably due to the fact that Maricopa county is far more conservative than most of the rest of the state. Its an interesting situation, because his tactics would have gotten him recalled in Pima county..


I realize that his constituents probably really like the idea on driving while Mexican being a crime, and may have no problem with violating a defendant's right to representation. But that's why we have federal civil rights laws, to keep local officials from doing dumb s#*t, even if the local community supports it. If I were the ACLU I'd send an army of killer robots after him.

It reminds me of back in my youth when I did a lot of rock climbing in UT. If you got pulled over in some rural parts of the state you'd better pray that it was by the state patrol, because many of the local county sheriff's made no secret that they didn't want outsiders there (this was back before Jeffs was arrested, I think the state gov't cleaned things up a bit since then).


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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Renzo wrote:
macattaq wrote:

The issue with Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department is interesting. Even though Arpaio is clearly violating citizen's rights, he keeps getting re-elected. I think this happens because he plays with the fears of the stereotypical, conservative whites who live in Maricopa county. Think of the people who attend Sarah Palin rallies. In Arizona, there are ALOT of these types, and many of them reside in Maricopa county, probably due to the fact that Maricopa county is far more conservative than most of the rest of the state. Its an interesting situation, because his tactics would have gotten him recalled in Pima county..


I realize that his constituents probably really like the idea on driving while Mexican being a crime, and may have no problem with violating a defendant's right to representation. But that's why we have federal civil rights laws, to keep local officials from doing dumb s#*t, even if the local community supports it. If I were the ACLU I'd send an army of killer robots after him.

It reminds me of back in my youth when I did a lot of rock climbing in UT. If you got pulled over in some rural parts of the state you'd better pray that it was by the state patrol, because many of the local county sheriff's made no secret that they didn't want outsiders there (this was back before Jeffs was arrested, I think the state gov't cleaned things up a bit since then).


Yes, I see your point. But, the federal government also gave Arpaio certain powers which enabled him to do some of the very things he does. This was through the Department of Homeland Security's ICE program, if I recall correctly. So if the federal government comes down on Arpaio, I imagine it could be rather embarrassing. That is to say, the federal government would end p up calling extra attention to the fact that it gave Arpaio the power to infringe civil liberties. I don't think the government is too willing to investigate this, but I imagine that if there was enough information compiled, DoJ would have no choice but to investigate. Also, it does require the actual filing of a complaint in order for the government to involve itself, I believe. If this is so, many of the people who are being affected probably do not believe that they have any rights and so do not file. It is a crappy situation all around, and to be honest, it angers me enough to make me want to go back home and "do something about it."

On the upside, I do believe DoHS did remove or suspend Arpaio's powers under the ICE program, but he is still acting as though he has them. Coincidentally, those powers would have been removed by the former AZ governor turned Head of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:23 pm 
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macattaq wrote:
But, the federal government also gave Arpaio certain powers which enabled him to do some of the very things he does. This was through the Department of Homeland Security's ICE program, if I recall correctly. So if the federal government comes down on Arpaio, I imagine it could be rather embarrassing. That is to say, the federal government would end p up calling extra attention to the fact that it gave Arpaio the power to infringe civil liberties. I don't think the government is too willing to investigate this, but I imagine that if there was enough information compiled, DoJ would have no choice but to investigate.
Didn't the feds do this already? Pretty sure ICE revoked his ability to enforce federal immigration law.

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1223347


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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I wasn't aware that had already occurred.


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 Post subject: Re: Whoa. This is just wrong.
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More news from Maricopa county

A member of the zoning board (and former judge) ordered a church to stop feeding the homeless, because it attracts undesirables.


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