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 Post subject: bad trip anxiety right now
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:35 pm 
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last thing on my mind is exams and law school. recently had a bad trip on dmt, can't concentrate for shit, can't sleep, anxiety all the time. seeing a doctor this week. wish me luck!!


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wats DMT?

Should you still be enrolled in classes in light of your current mental/physical condition?


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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chicoalto0649 wrote:
wats DMT?

Should you still be enrolled in classes in light of your current mental/physical condition?

google it. should i be enrolled? hell, who knows.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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first, you are an idiot for doing dmt. second, i've been there and it took about a month to get that dirty bad trop feeling to go away. i don't know if i ever really recovered or just forgot what i was like before i did it.


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Someone should bump this in about 4 weeks to start a lively debate about whether law school is or is not preferable to a bad trip on hallucinogenic drugs.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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Good luck. but why would you trip this far into the semester? I need details, location, setting, reason!


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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it was described to me as something that would last 15 minutes, and that is true of the trip. however, the trip is powerful, and if its bad, or brings up baggage, it takes a an awful lot of time to get your focus back. it can definitely cause a true existential crisis. i just did have something resembling a normal night's sleep. i feel like i am getting better but progress is slow. i may actually be able to work on an outline today. folks, the mind is not a playground but i hope this experience teaches me some valuable lessons.


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robespierre2012 wrote:
last thing on my mind is exams and law school. recently had a bad trip on dmt, can't concentrate for shit, can't sleep, anxiety all the time. seeing a doctor this week. wish me luck!!


get your priorities together.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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I recommend using this in your personal statement and talking about how you overcame obstacles. It could end up being a plus.


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i take it your joking, right? :lol:

anyways, i am already in school.

might i relate personal jurisidiction to one's perceived control over his mind on my exam?

fit this into my exams some how? LMAO


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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robespierre2012 wrote:
it was described to me as something that would last 15 minutes, and that is true of the trip. however, the trip is powerful, and if its bad, or brings up baggage, it takes a an awful lot of time to get your focus back. it can definitely cause a true existential crisis. i just did have something resembling a normal night's sleep. i feel like i am getting better but progress is slow. i may actually be able to work on an outline today. folks, the mind is not a playground but i hope this experience teaches me some valuable lessons.



Prove that you are not using DMT as a scapegoat. How were you doing before this incident?

Perhaps you were taken aback by the complexity of the mind? Or was it that you saw yourSelf beyond the body for the first time? Whatever it was, don't simply dismiss it as poppycock.


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robespierre2012 wrote:
it was described to me as something that would last 15 minutes, and that is true of the trip. however, the trip is powerful, and if its bad, or brings up baggage, it takes a an awful lot of time to get your focus back. it can definitely cause a true existential crisis. i just did have something resembling a normal night's sleep. i feel like i am getting better but progress is slow. i may actually be able to work on an outline today. folks, the mind is not a playground but i hope this experience teaches me some valuable lessons.


did you take this with fellow law students? if so, your class/ls sounds pretty fun, minus the ocassional bad trip. you're head will clear up eventually, which in normal circumstances may not be such a big deal, however, in ls those precious days of recovery, can cause you to fall seriously far behind. good luck catching up and slaying those demons.


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Don't do drugs because...


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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geoffree wrote:


Prove that you are not using DMT as a scapegoat. How were you doing before this incident?

Perhaps you were taken aback by the complexity of the mind? Or was it that you saw yourSelf beyond the body for the first time? Whatever it was, don't simply dismiss it as poppycock.


trust me pal. i was a stable, focused, happy law student prior to this. not everything was perfect but i was doing fine. i was definitely taken aback by the complexity of the mind and seeing myself in that 'out of body' (not sure if that is the right word, but something close) state for the first time. I am now in a bind that i cannot describe. I know things can get better, will get better, and are getting better, and i know i will make sense of this, but it just aint happening fast, and i am going to make it through finals by the skin of my teeth.


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ejjones wrote:

did you take this with fellow law students? if so, your class/ls sounds pretty fun, minus the ocassional bad trip. you're head will clear up eventually, which in normal circumstances may not be such a big deal, however, in ls those precious days of recovery, can cause you to fall seriously far behind. good luck catching up and slaying those demons.

nope, not with fellow law students. haven't even told any of them yet.

thanks for the encouragement friend.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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robespierre2012 wrote:
geoffree wrote:


Prove that you are not using DMT as a scapegoat. How were you doing before this incident?

Perhaps you were taken aback by the complexity of the mind? Or was it that you saw yourSelf beyond the body for the first time? Whatever it was, don't simply dismiss it as poppycock.


trust me pal. i was a stable, focused, happy law student prior to this. not everything was perfect but i was doing fine. i was definitely taken aback by the complexity of the mind and seeing myself in that 'out of body' (not sure if that is the right word, but something close) state for the first time. I am now in a bind that i cannot describe. I know things can get better, will get better, and are getting better, and i know i will make sense of this, but it just aint happening fast, and i am going to make it through finals by the skin of my teeth.


Then what was it about your experience that shook the 'stable, focused, happy law student (if such a thing exists beneath the surface level)' out of you? Law school has been compared to an lsd trip; Andrew McClurg says "both are mind-blowing experiences. Both alter your perception of reality. Both can be understood only by those who experience them. And both present dangers of severe adverse reactions. Studies show the main difference is law school costs more." So perhaps your situation stems from mixing the two together; some speculate that psychedelics often do not mix well together - two godly forces trying to assert their dominion over "you" could understandably lead to existential confusion and anxiety.

But speculation and kidding aside, remember that
1. DMT is constantly being produced in our pituitary glands; it was there before you exposed yourself to a larger quantity of it; when one dies, a large amount of DMT is produced there; people that have near-death experiences have similar things to say about their experience as those who ingest DMT;
2. there is a time and place for everything; e.g. tribal people ingest it ceremoniously -via 'ayahuasca' concoction - with a guide/shaman... I agree with you to some extent that 'the mind is not a playground'... I would qualify that statement to say 'the mind is not a playground without rules'... it seems you may have gone into your experience with insufficient care/preparation.

So what is the bind that you say you 'cannot describe'? We are all in a bind my friend, that is for sure. Some of us are just more aware of that bind than others. I wouldn't try to fight that awareness or try to ignore it; I would explore it; explore it in yourself AND in the law -- the binding nature of the law, and the rationale behind it, is interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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geoffree wrote:
robespierre2012 wrote:
geoffree wrote:


Prove that you are not using DMT as a scapegoat. How were you doing before this incident?

Perhaps you were taken aback by the complexity of the mind? Or was it that you saw yourSelf beyond the body for the first time? Whatever it was, don't simply dismiss it as poppycock.


trust me pal. i was a stable, focused, happy law student prior to this. not everything was perfect but i was doing fine. i was definitely taken aback by the complexity of the mind and seeing myself in that 'out of body' (not sure if that is the right word, but something close) state for the first time. I am now in a bind that i cannot describe. I know things can get better, will get better, and are getting better, and i know i will make sense of this, but it just aint happening fast, and i am going to make it through finals by the skin of my teeth.


Then what was it about your experience that shook the 'stable, focused, happy law student (if such a thing exists beneath the surface level)' out of you? Law school has been compared to an lsd trip; Andrew McClurg says "both are mind-blowing experiences. Both alter your perception of reality. Both can be understood only by those who experience them. And both present dangers of severe adverse reactions. Studies show the main difference is law school costs more." So perhaps your situation stems from mixing the two together; some speculate that psychedelics often do not mix well together - two godly forces trying to assert their dominion over "you" could understandably lead to existential confusion and anxiety.

But speculation and kidding aside, remember that
1. DMT is constantly being produced in our pituitary glands; it was there before you exposed yourself to a larger quantity of it; when one dies, a large amount of DMT is produced there; people that have near-death experiences have similar things to say about their experience as those who ingest DMT;
2. there is a time and place for everything; e.g. tribal people ingest it ceremoniously -via 'ayahuasca' concoction - with a guide/shaman... I agree with you to some extent that 'the mind is not a playground'... I would qualify that statement to say 'the mind is not a playground without rules'... it seems you may have gone into your experience with insufficient care/preparation.

So what is the bind that you say you 'cannot describe'? We are all in a bind my friend, that is for sure. Some of us are just more aware of that bind than others. I wouldn't try to fight that awareness or try to ignore it; I would explore it; explore it in yourself AND in the law -- the binding nature of the law, and the rationale behind it, is interesting.

yikes.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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Bump for progress update from OP


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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OP update: 2 hours sleep a night, inability to focus, anxiety, temporary periods of normalcy. neurologist on friday.


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robespierre2012 wrote:
OP update: 2 hours sleep a night, inability to focus, anxiety, temporary periods of normalcy. neurologist on friday.



Uhhh... yea. Google Salvia if you don't what that is and don't waste your time taking the LSAT or considering law school.


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OP update: 2 hours sleep a night, inability to focus, anxiety, temporary periods of normalcy. neurologist on friday.


You're in a world of hurt here, buddy. I know a lot of people who have used a lot of hallucinogenic drugs, and generally the only time someone has a reaction like this is if they had preexisting mental conditions such as schizophrenia. Seeing a neurologist is THE RIGHT CALL, and I'd add a psychiatrist to the list too.

Good luck man. You're probably gonna be OK, because most people who take these kinds of substances once are, but you're definitely having a really bad reaction.


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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Is this your first jaunt into the world of "inner space"? Or have you been taking little explorations for a while?

I have heard DMT is a wicked wild experience, so just be introspective and make it a learning experience about yourself and your relationship with the world around you. If you are shaken up about something in your life or in your past experiences, then the fact they rose to the surface means that you really need to confront them head-on. (Apply directly to the forehead)

On another note, um... why?


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 Post subject: Re: bad trip anxiety right now
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What a bunch of horse shit, DMT lasts about 1 minute, and yes it is probably the craziest trip one person can experience. Supposedly, it is the same chemical your brain releases when it thinks you're about to die. Anyway, most people I know hate the drug. The chances of a bad trip are very high, not worth it IMHO.

There was a chemist at my university who would swipe it from the lab. They did all types of crazy illicit drug testing on rats at that university. Those were the days (going back 10 years now)...


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