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BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby AmicusCuriae » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:53 pm

Given that I graduate in May I guess I need to start thinking about this whole bar exam thing. Anyone know anything about the differences between BarBri and the Comprehensive Kaplan Bar Review Course? I'll be taking the New York Bar.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby caoyun » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:42 pm

AmicusCuriae wrote:Given that I graduate in May I guess I need to start thinking about this whole bar exam thing. Anyone know anything about the differences between BarBri and the Comprehensive Kaplan Bar Review Course? I'll be taking the New York Bar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h_5URNi9lE&NR=1 <--- This should answer all your questions about BarBri.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby JPeavy44 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:14 pm

Kaplan just started a year ago I believe

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby wiseowl » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:47 am

JPeavy44 wrote:Kaplan just started a year ago I believe

pmbr has been around a long time. kaplan bought them a few yrs ago and put the kaplan name on it last year.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Matthies » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:01 am

I took barbri and PMBRs MBE class (but not their comprehensive bar class). I’m was pretty happy with the Barbri materials and lecture, and I used both barbri and PMBR’s online question bank. I don’t anyone who has done the PMBR full bar review class because this is the first year they started offering it here.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby nycattorney » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:46 pm

I took the bar a few years ago and took Kaplan PMBR's MBE classes because my employer suggested it. I'm very glad that I did as I thought the classes and questions were very helpful. Kaplan PMBR definately preps better for the MBE. Last year, one of our associates took the Kaplan PMBR full course and he said he loved it. He said they graded as many essays as he wanted, and they personalized his assignments. He also was able to watch as many lectures as he wanted. I wish I had those features with my class.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby 98234872348 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:48 pm

nycattorney wrote:I took the bar a few years ago and took Kaplan PMBR's MBE classes because my employer suggested it. I'm very glad that I did as I thought the classes and questions were very helpful. Kaplan PMBR definately preps better for the MBE. Last year, one of our associates took the Kaplan PMBR full course and he said he loved it. He said they graded as many essays as he wanted, and they personalized his assignments. He also was able to watch as many lectures as he wanted. I wish I had those features with my class.

LOL @ Kaplan reps promoting their product on tls...

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby yabbadabbado » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:22 pm

The main difference is probably whether or not you want to do a 100% home study course or if you feel compelled to go to class. Some people also like home study courses because they can study for the bar in a different location that might not have BARBRI classes for the state they want. For example, New York classes probably aren't offered in Arizona, but you could live in Arizona and study for the New York bar by doing a home study course. Also, BARBRI might not be the best if you want home study due to the cost and the restrictions/requirements they impose on audio and video lectures. Two other companies that offer home study courses are The Study Group and Themis.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby AmicusCuriae » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:48 pm

yabbadabbado wrote:The main difference is probably whether or not you want to do a 100% home study course or if you feel compelled to go to class. Some people also like home study courses because they can study for the bar in a different location that might not have BARBRI classes for the state they want. For example, New York classes probably aren't offered in Arizona, but you could live in Arizona and study for the New York bar by doing a home study course. Also, BARBRI might not be the best if you want home study due to the cost and the restrictions/requirements they impose on audio and video lectures. Two other companies that offer home study courses are The Study Group and Themis.


It seems that Kaplan offers live-class prep, at least for the NY bar.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Chicago » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:17 pm

now that some people took the Kaplan full course...a re there any other thoughts on things?

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Ipsa Dixit » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:39 pm

I'm going to be taking Kaplan. I checked out Kaplan, BarBri, and Themis. I was impressed with Kaplan's product, the price was better than BarBri, and Kaplan had a money back guarantee.

I'll find it in November when bar results come back whether it was worth it.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby reasonable_man » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:51 pm

Op.. Where are you taking the bar.. This matters..

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Matthies » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:23 pm

Hey RM!

I think I did pretty good on the feb bar this time. Was calm, confidant and felt like I knew 2x as much as the first time.

As to what class to take, I took barbari and as i said I liked it. This was my second time taking the bar, first time I missed it by 10 points under other than ideal circumstances. This time I did the barbri Itouch version, which is just the lectures on your touch or Iphone. I honestly did not really listen to them again, but it was more of a comfort thing to know I had access to the lectures if I needed to clarify something.

If you do barbri you can still get acess to the PMBR online MBE questions for like $250 I think. Personally having done this twice now I liked having access to both barbri's and PMBR's MBE questions (online so it would track my weak/strong areas). I found them to be very different in form and style from each other. And when i would switch, say from barbri to PMBR questions on property or something my average score would drop (either way I went) I think because each just had a different "style" of asking questions. Then you get used to that style and your score goes back up. On the real bar both ['styles" of questions came up, so it was good prep I think. Once you got used to one style it was good to switch to the other to mix things up. Again, all in hindsight here.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby reasonable_man » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:38 pm

Matthies wrote:Hey RM!

I think I did pretty good on the feb bar this time. Was calm, confidant and felt like I knew 2x as much as the first time.

As to what class to take, I took barbari and as i said I liked it. This was my second time taking the bar, first time I missed it by 10 points under other than ideal circumstances. This time I did the barbri Itouch version, which is just the lectures on your touch or Iphone. I honestly did not really listen to them again, but it was more of a comfort thing to know I had access to the lectures if I needed to clarify something.

If you do barbri you can still get acess to the PMBR online MBE questions for like $250 I think. Personally having done this twice now I liked having access to both barbri's and PMBR's MBE questions (online so it would track my weak/strong areas). I found them to be very different in form and style from each other. And when i would switch, say from barbri to PMBR questions on property or something my average score would drop (either way I went) I think because each just had a different "style" of asking questions. Then you get used to that style and your score goes back up. On the real bar both ['styles" of questions came up, so it was good prep I think. Once you got used to one style it was good to switch to the other to mix things up. Again, all in hindsight here.



Great to hear!! When are results out? April/May??

I'm sure it went well!

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Matthies » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:50 pm

reasonable_man wrote:
Matthies wrote:Hey RM!

I think I did pretty good on the feb bar this time. Was calm, confidant and felt like I knew 2x as much as the first time.

As to what class to take, I took barbari and as i said I liked it. This was my second time taking the bar, first time I missed it by 10 points under other than ideal circumstances. This time I did the barbri Itouch version, which is just the lectures on your touch or Iphone. I honestly did not really listen to them again, but it was more of a comfort thing to know I had access to the lectures if I needed to clarify something.

If you do barbri you can still get acess to the PMBR online MBE questions for like $250 I think. Personally having done this twice now I liked having access to both barbri's and PMBR's MBE questions (online so it would track my weak/strong areas). I found them to be very different in form and style from each other. And when i would switch, say from barbri to PMBR questions on property or something my average score would drop (either way I went) I think because each just had a different "style" of asking questions. Then you get used to that style and your score goes back up. On the real bar both ['styles" of questions came up, so it was good prep I think. Once you got used to one style it was good to switch to the other to mix things up. Again, all in hindsight here.



Great to hear!! When are results out? April/May??

I'm sure it went well!


April 28th, seems so long from now...

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Vegas_Rebel » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:52 pm

Matthies wrote:April 28th, seems so long from now...


Just out of curiosity (b/c I have no idea about the after law school stuff) what are you doing while you wait? How are you getting by?

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Chicago » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:05 pm

I'm taking it in IL... so that makes its Kaplan's first year here with their abilities.

I like that I can watch the lectures whenever I want so if I can't make the class, I can watch it from home instantly (it seems as though the barbri ones will be a wait... since they have to upload them from the live Chicago session)

I also like that Kaplan has unlimited assistance with the essays, and that the PMBR session stuff is included and won't cost an extra 1,000 (this is what I was told, that if you take barbri and want to take the Kaplan PMBR section that it will be 1,000).

Its hard though because barbri has the track record, but it seems as though they are behind on some of the features. Though, what can snazzy features get you if your material sucks??

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Matthies » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:38 pm

Vegas_Rebel wrote:
Matthies wrote:April 28th, seems so long from now...


Just out of curiosity (b/c I have no idea about the after law school stuff) what are you doing while you wait? How are you getting by?


I do the same thing I did before I graduated (I went to law school part time) I clerk for lawyers, do research, write stuff, summarize new opinions that might affect a practice area things like that. I have been doing it for a few years while I was in law school (it took five years for the JD and an MLS/LLM part-time) so I have a pretty good client base (kind of like a subcontractor, lawyers I have worked with in the past or that I have been recommended to call me when they need help on something, so I don't work for just one lawyer or firm, but several as they need help. So I might be doing research for an injury case one day, for a response to a motion to dismiss another, a JMOL, a white paper on how a new case decision might affect some lawyer clients (these are CLASSIC rainmaking letters: Mr. Large Scale Developer Congress Recently Pass Bill 5472r that places new regulations on the amount of waste water discharge (surface or subservice) that can be used at certain sized concretion projects in areas near riparian systems. Our firm has studied the new law and think there might be implications for your construction business/condo development/ shopping center, who knows, whatever they need help with, or more likely what you can make them think about a legal need they did not even know they had be for u resresrced it and fund out they might. Mostly I do environmental stuff, but have had allot of divorce cases and banrucky research projects lately. But after 3+ years in law school you can get yourself up to speed on just about any subject with a quick review ALR then skim the practice area books your state bar will publish like "The DUI Lawyers Handbook for COlorado) which as just all the CLEs bounf in one book.)

I also help lawyers set up networks and data storage and encryption and stuff like that. A lot of the older small firm lawyers and many judges are way behind on tech stuff so i meet with them, find what what they want to e able to do then develop a plan fo their budget and get them set up. Most of that stuff I do for free though, becuase I have been doing that for awhile and its a great way to make friends with judges.

Plus I'm a slumlord. The legal pay is not bad, I set my own hours and pretty much work from home unless I need to go the law library (our state supreme court has a decent one bout 4 blocks from my house, or I drive about 20 mins to school). Most of my office supplies I can write of as expenses for taxesor frees to the lawyer. They shut off your lexis/westlaw like at 12:01Am the day you graduate (not kidding). But the SC and school both have access so if I need to use it I got there. My state bar association (of which I am a student member still) has its own free version (well its part of your membership dues) called "casemaker" which is pretty good for state/local cases 95% of the time.

But for the last two weeks since the bar, to be honest I have played computer games, drank too much and went skiing about every 3 days. Now have to get back to work. :)

Right now I'm kind of in limbo, because I graduated in May but did not pass the July bar the job I had could not wait for me to pass and could not really keep me on at a non lawyer bill rate so I had to give that up. I have a ton of contacts I have made because I have been so active in the legal community since I was a 1L so I'm not too worried, yet, but I won't seriously start asking around until its 2 weeks or so out from the score release date, its just spinning my wheels to interview for something they need filled right now when i still have 2 months to wait till i find out if I pass. So I just do the contract work, the computer stuff and work on a blog and write some stuff for some of the local law rags to keep my name out there. If i could keep doing this forever I would actually, working from home, or the ski lodge, is much better than wearing a suit everyday to sit in a cubie to me.

Sorry for the dloppy writing I took2 ambienbfor I was this

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby Vegas_Rebel » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:20 pm

Matthies wrote:I do the same thing I did before I graduated (I went to law school part time) I clerk for lawyers, do research, write stuff, summarize new opinions that might affect a practice area things like that...


Wow, thank you for the response. That was really insightful :)

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby woomelo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:41 am

Hi sorry if i'm a complete newb but i've only recently registered my interest in sitting the NY BAR. I have a 3 year LLB from England and graduated about 2 years ago and have been working in a non-legal field since. A 3 year LLB from England does qualify one to sit the NY bar right?

I'm interested in taking the NY Bar in Feb 2011, and as I am based in Hong Kong, I understand that it is possible for Kaplan and other bar prep providers to mail the material abroad and watch the online lectures. Does anyone else have experience in self-studying for the bar abroad? and would the Kaplan PMBR "New York Complete Bar Review Course Online" alone be sufficient preparation for one to sit the bar?

Thanks

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby lennonist » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:49 am

Just take BarBri

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby buginthebowl » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:53 am

Very disappointed with BarBri's misinformation in my state distinction materials. BarBri quotes law that hasn't been true for 5 and 6 years. Way out of date. Lame.

http://legalfee.blogspot.com/2010/07/ba ... s-for.html

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby wiseowl » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:00 pm

buginthebowl wrote:Very disappointed with BarBri's misinformation in my state distinction materials. BarBri quotes law that hasn't been true for 5 and 6 years. Way out of date. Lame.

http://legalfee.blogspot.com/2010/07/ba ... s-for.html


While I understand that you expect perfection, 4-5 cited mistakes out of hundreds of hours of content?

If people consider it a "ripoff", they're more than free to study the law themselves and save the money.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby buginthebowl » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:08 pm

wiseowl wrote:
buginthebowl wrote:Very disappointed with BarBri's misinformation in my state distinction materials. BarBri quotes law that hasn't been true for 5 and 6 years. Way out of date. Lame.

http://legalfee.blogspot.com/2010/07/ba ... s-for.html


While I understand that you expect perfection, 4-5 cited mistakes out of hundreds of hours of content?

If people consider it a "ripoff", they're more than free to study the law themselves and save the money.


The national materials have been great. But the state materials have these mistakes. And there's not hundreds of hours of content for Utah distinctions. Over the last 5 years, Utah students have paid about a million dollars to BarBri. They could at least check their statutes every once in a while. Or post it on their updates pages once its been pointed out.

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Re: BarBri or Kaplan PMBR

Postby ggocat » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:16 pm

I think you will find people who are happy and dissatisfied with both products.

I will share some thoughts despite the fact that I should be studying for the bar right now! (Can't believe I just wasted an hour on this post.)

I took Kaplan comprehensive for Texas online (MBE + TX state stuff). If I could do it all over again, I would probably stick with Kaplan, primarily because of the price. Kaplan-PMBR has been known for preparing students well for the MBE. I was plannning to take the Foundation course (one week MBE course) regardless. When I saw I could get the whole state package for just $1000 more, I was sold. Bar study for $2K is a good deal. If I had done both the PMBR Foundation and Barbri, I think it would have been an extra $1500 to $2000.

I really have nothing to say negatively about Kaplan's MBE prep. The outlines are tried and true. The Q-bank is fantastic, although many of the questions are a little long (from what I hear, longer and more convoluted than the actual bar). You can take a bunch of Qs online and see how you did in each subject area (broken down into sub-parts for each subject, as well). You can take certain types of questions, and you can track your progress. The only thing I didn't like is that there's no way to comprehensively review all the questions you got wrong. You have to go back and look at each quiz individually. Not a big deal.

I have been generally disappointed with the state-specific materials.

Pros:

- You can access the lectures any time you want, streaming from your computer. You can even get ahead with the lectures if you want, which I understand you could not do with Barbri this year because you have to wait for them to upload the lectures in the afternoon. With Kaplan, I had all my lectures ready on Day 1. I even re-arranged the order I took some courses so I could tailor my studying the way I wanted, and I got ahead on lectures when I wanted, took days off when I wanted.


Meh (mostly Pro, but some negatives):


- The lecturers were a mixed bag. Some of the lecturers were great. When discussing issues, they would sometimes say how many times the issue has been tested in past 10 years and on what exams they were tested (this was especially true for procedure lectures). They would also sometimes say when something has never been tested or rarely tested. That's exactly what I wanted from my lecturers. Most lecturers would track the outline, and that was very helpful. But others jumped all around and didn't present the material in a cohesive way. Quite a few lecturers, however, never addressed when or how many times certain issues had been tested.

- "Ask an attorney" feature. You can e-mail Kaplan substantive law questions about any of their materials. This was helpful a few times, but then they started getting backed up, and there was a 5+ day wait. Sometimes they also just quoted from a treatise on the general subject matter and would not address my question. Sometimes they completely had no idea what they were talking about. For example, one time I asked about an oil and gas TX statute, and the response I received was a canned explanation of the common law (not statute).

- Essay grading. It's OK. You can take quite a few essays and have them graded. There are 4 grades (exceeds standard, meets standard, below standard, well below standard). This feature has been a mixed bag. Early on, they were very responsive. They have check boxes for each issue and whether you followed IRAC. Sometimes you get substantive comments, but other times they just say "You didn't state the rule correctly for X issue," without telling you what the rule is. As time progressed, grading got worse. Oftentimes they would skip sections. For example, I use number headings, and I would state the issue in the heading. On several essays, the grader said "where is the rest of your essay, you didn't address X issue," when I clearly had addressed the issue and included a very express heading labeling that part of the essay. This happened to a friend of mine, as well, so I don't think it's just me writing crappy essays. Finally, they have gotten really behind. I submitted my last essay on 7/11. As of today, 7/24, it still has not been graded. I stopped submitting essays because they probably wouldn't be reviewed in time for the bar.

- Essay book. Great, we have an essay book for every question since 2003 with outlines and sample answers. I've been using this a lot. It is an excellent resource overall. Some of the essays, though, are missing issues (compared to bar examiner's comments available online). Unfortunately, some of the essays are scattered throughout different sections of the book, and the table of contents doesn't identify where the essays are. So for about 30 essays I'm constantly having to "hunt and find" the outlines. Would be much easier if they just included a proper table of contents. I have also not been able to find some of the outlines. Maybe they are mislabled with incorrect testing year, or maybe they're missing completely. I dunno, but I'm not going to flip through the book one page at a time when I can't find the essay in two quick flip throughs.

- Bar notes. From what I understand, Barbri apparently has really detailed outlines, and then students go to class and have to take notes about the key subjects. Most students don't even use the outlines, they just use the bar notes. But for Kaplan, I found the bar notes pretty useless. Most of the lectures tracked the outlines verbatim (like, the lecturers were reading from the outline), except they would skip things that weren't important. So I just took notes in my lecture book.


Cons

- Stupid checkpoint quizzes. Kaplan "makes" you take checkpoint quizzes and then review your materials or re-watch lectures. This was a huge waste of time, and I quickly stopped doing them. These are multiple choice quizzes on ESSAY subjects. They schedule about 1 hour for each quiz (remember 2 quizzes each subject) and 1.5 hours to review the first quiz. That's minimum 3.5 hours for each subject to review multiple choice quizzes for essay topics. I think you are much better off doing 5-6 essays for each subject, or however many you can get done. Further, these quizzes did NOT line up with the lectures at all. On TX civil procedure, for example, the lecturer said "statutes of limitations have never been tested, so I'm not going to cover them in the lecture." When I took the checkpoint quiz, 25% of the questions (yes, actually 25%) were on statutes of limitations. That's when I first began to realize what a waste of time those quizzes are.

I ended up taking all of the level 1 quizzes. On several of these quizzes, I noticed errors. I e-mailed Kaplan, and they sometimes gave a BS answer, but other times they said I was right and that the question would be flagged by their staff for review.

So why am I making such a big deal about the quizzes? I am fairly certain that the guarantee doesn't apply unless you do everything Kaplan says, which means all the quizzes and quiz review. Given that they repeatedly scheduled me for 12.5+ hours of work per day (without breaks), I decided to kiss that guarantee goodbye. The amount of time they scheduled me on some days was just not helpful/doable. I've done some 12+ hours (of actual studying) this past week, but most of the time 12+ hours is not helpful or practical. (Also, you should check on the guarantee, 'cause I don't think it's money-back. I think they just let you retake the course. But honestly, even if I fail, I probably wouldn't retake the course. I'd just study the outlines more and memorize more.)

- Outlines are somewhat deficient. Plain and simple, the outlines do not contain all the relevant information. See my comment above about Bar Notes. Because the lectures track the outlines more than Barbri (from what barbri friends tell me), the outlines I'm guessing are less detailed than Barbri's. That can be a good thing sometimes, I guess. But some issues that have been actually TESTED ON THE BAR were not in the outline books. I have found at least 3. For one of those issues, a friend of mine in Barbri mentioned a random issue/rule in TX, and I was like "WTF, I didn't know that." Sure enough, I looked up the statutes online and found the rule. Then I looked at the essay that I had already done and that had been graded "exceeds the standard" by Kaplan. The issue was clearly applicable, but the rule wasn't in my outline book, and the Kaplan grader did not say I missed the issue. It also wasn't in the essay book. So maybe Barbri just has their crap together more. Sometimes I feel like Kaplan "rushed" the substantive material.

I do like, however, the way Kaplan organizes the outlines (material on the right, general "line diagram" big picture on the left). Pick up a free copy of their MPRE book to see what I mean about the outlines. They were handing this out for free at my school, but I think you can also download it free from their website.

- Tested topics. What I've been doing the past week is making my own outline of all topics tested on as many essays as I can outline. (I'm close to 100 now). I'm also keeping an excel spreadsheet that briefly identifies each issue tested on each exam. So I can go back and say "Hey, issue X has been tested on 7 of the last 8 exams." (This has happened.) Kaplan did not create any such outline or chart from what I can tell. This would have been fairly easy to do, and I think they should have done it. I'm not sure if Barbri does it, though. I'm just saying, it would have been something that's relatively easy to do because they already outlined every single essay. In the outlines, however, they do place stars by "highly tested" subjects. So, they've done a decent job with that. I just would have liked more detail.

- Focus on IRAC. Kaplan says over and over and over again to use IRAC. They grade your essays lower if you don't do IRAC. But I am definitely NOT doing IRAC on the bar. For the past 3 administrations, TX has posted "selected answers" on the website. I reviewed all of these. Almost every single one follows CRAC or CRA. TX asks very specific questions often (e.g., "Did the court err in awarding child support" or "Among whom should T's estate be divided and in what shares" or "Who has superior interest in the laptop."). Almost every single selected answer starts with a conclusion, and many don't even address the issue in a heading (questions in TX are numbered, so people just use those numbers to organize an answer).

Anyway, this isn't a big issue, but it just seems like Kaplan is trying to force-feed me something that the TX bar examiners have not expressed a preference for. In fact, they seem to prefer not-IRAC. Is this evidence of Kaplan not reviewing those essays? I dunno. Maybe they did and just made a conscious effort to disregard what TX bar examiners seem to prefer.


Conclusion / tl;dr
- MBE review is great, particularly the q-bank. You can get access to q-bank, I think, for about $300 if you don't want to do a course.
- Comprehensive review has been disappointing overall, but probably worth the extra money if you are going to do the MBE course. To just buy the Barbri books, for me it was looking like $300 on craigslist. So, I was going to spend $1000 on MBE course, $300 on q-bank, and $300 on books. Again, the comprehensive course was $2K inclusive of MBE, so I only spent about $400 more.
- Despite my quasi-dissatisfaction with the comprehensive course, I would take it again. This was the first year it was offered, so I would hope that next year they clean up some of the problem areas.




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