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i just have to be one of those people that can push through that urge and thus i win!

Yeah, I was thinking of trying to find an application to disable my wireless during set times of day (like during class). Does anything like that exist?


i dont know why i want to do it like this but here goes

If you = Mac user
then http://macfreedom.com/

%"Freedom is an application that disables wireless and ethernet networking on an Apple computer for up to three hours at a time. Freedom will free you from the distractions of the internet, allowing you time to code, write, or create. At the end of your selected offline period, Freedom re-enables your network, restoring everything as normal.

Freedom enforces freedom; a reboot is the only circumvention of the Freedom time limit you specify. The hassle of rebooting means you’re less likely to cheat, and you’ll be more productive."


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Can I get an analysis/examples/applications of restatement 2nd contracts via lexis nexis?

IF so..how


I find it under "my school" and then "key 1L resources".


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i dont know why i want to do it like this but here goes

If you = Mac user
then http://macfreedom.com/

%"Freedom is an application that disables wireless and ethernet networking on an Apple computer for up to three hours at a time. Freedom will free you from the distractions of the internet, allowing you time to code, write, or create. At the end of your selected offline period, Freedom re-enables your network, restoring everything as normal.

Freedom enforces freedom; a reboot is the only circumvention of the Freedom time limit you specify. The hassle of rebooting means you’re less likely to cheat, and you’ll be more productive."


else "SOL"

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Does anyone know if there is a PC equivalent of this program? Google and download.com weren't really pulling up anything.


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leobowski wrote:
wiseowl wrote:

i dont know why i want to do it like this but here goes

If you = Mac user
then http://macfreedom.com/

%"Freedom is an application that disables wireless and ethernet networking on an Apple computer for up to three hours at a time. Freedom will free you from the distractions of the internet, allowing you time to code, write, or create. At the end of your selected offline period, Freedom re-enables your network, restoring everything as normal.

Freedom enforces freedom; a reboot is the only circumvention of the Freedom time limit you specify. The hassle of rebooting means you’re less likely to cheat, and you’ll be more productive."


else "SOL"

end



Does anyone know if there is a PC equivalent of this program? Google and download.com weren't really pulling up anything.



i've looked, i've tried to write one. no dice. just need the willpower to turn the radio off :cry:


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Hyder wrote:
Can I get an analysis/examples/applications of restatement 2nd contracts via lexis nexis?

IF so..how

Restatement's are just rehashed caselaw. If you know the rules (re)stated, your casebook is an incredibly in-concise set of examples/analysis/applications of the restatements. :) Over simplification ftw!


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So for Contracts I feel like the E&E kinda sucks. It seems to be all over the place and not easy to find what I need. I've been heavily leaning on the hornbook, a recommended primer and the actual Restatement and UCC sections to go along with the BLL. I would like to continue using the E&E for Contracts if anyone has any advice on how to approach the book because trying to search through it to find relevant sections sucks. Should I just read it cover to cover?


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So for Contracts I feel like the E&E kinda sucks. It seems to be all over the place and not easy to find what I need. I've been heavily leaning on the hornbook, a recommended primer and the actual Restatement and UCC sections to go along with the BLL. I would like to continue using the E&E for Contracts if anyone has any advice on how to approach the book because trying to search through it to find relevant sections sucks. Should I just read it cover to cover?


i've had generally the same experience. i'm going to stick with just reading Chirelstein (i'm guessing this is your "recommended primer") and maybe doing the occasional CALI lesson and i'll come back to the E&E in Oct/Nov when we've done enough to make it worthwhile.


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a couple weeks of reading and briefing cases and found that that guy's approach makes a lot more sense? So far I'm a believer, but we'll see if I rue this day come exam time.


You have 12,000 posts and just started 1L this semester?


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wiseowl wrote:
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So for Contracts I feel like the E&E kinda sucks. It seems to be all over the place and not easy to find what I need. I've been heavily leaning on the hornbook, a recommended primer and the actual Restatement and UCC sections to go along with the BLL. I would like to continue using the E&E for Contracts if anyone has any advice on how to approach the book because trying to search through it to find relevant sections sucks. Should I just read it cover to cover?


i've had generally the same experience. i'm going to stick with just reading Chirelstein (i'm guessing this is your "recommended primer") and maybe doing the occasional CALI lesson and i'll come back to the E&E in Oct/Nov when we've done enough to make it worthwhile.


Hmm...I was just about to dig into the E & E, but maybe I'll outline Chirelstein's stuff instead? I'm gonna have to take a look at this and see what's up....


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gogators wrote:
So for Contracts I feel like the E&E kinda sucks. It seems to be all over the place and not easy to find what I need. I've been heavily leaning on the hornbook, a recommended primer and the actual Restatement and UCC sections to go along with the BLL. I would like to continue using the E&E for Contracts if anyone has any advice on how to approach the book because trying to search through it to find relevant sections sucks. Should I just read it cover to cover?


i've had generally the same experience. i'm going to stick with just reading Chirelstein (i'm guessing this is your "recommended primer") and maybe doing the occasional CALI lesson and i'll come back to the E&E in Oct/Nov when we've done enough to make it worthwhile.


Hmm...I was just about to dig into the E & E, but maybe I'll outline Chirelstein's stuff instead? I'm gonna have to take a look at this and see what's up....


I recommend Chirelstein's supplement as well (Concepts and Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts), it has really helped me to understand what we've done so far.


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I haven't read most of this thread - just the first couple of pages. However, I just want to add that my first semester (which went very well), I briefed - and read very carefully, spending a lot of time stopping to think about hypos, etc. I realize now that this was beneficial - not because of anything I directly gleaned from the reading - but because it's very similar to taking an exam. In fact, I think it is second only to taking practice exams (but careful case reading is something you do so much that it can have an equal impact). Learning to figure out exactly which facts are relevant and which are not, how the rules function, etc. can be very well learned through careful case reading. It's not a matter of picking up the right information from individual cases to use on the exam, but of practicing the skills. Some pick this up equally or almost as well through use of E&Es, etc., but I find that those materials spoon feed analysis too well, thus not allowing the reader to really learn how to do on his/her own. Hence, the logic of briefing, carefully reading first semester, but then using supplements more heavily and ceasing briefing after that point (which is exactly what I did - ending at top 2% T10).


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Any suggestions for supplements for a Crim Law class that isn't doing common law? Prof and his finals confirm we're only worried about the MPC in this class, and interpreting statutes, but most of the supplements and hypos seem geared towards compare/contrasting MPC and CL. Anyone use/find one that is mostly MPC geared? I don't want to waste time wading through Common Law if I don't have to.


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gogators wrote:
So for Contracts I feel like the E&E kinda sucks. It seems to be all over the place and not easy to find what I need. I've been heavily leaning on the hornbook, a recommended primer and the actual Restatement and UCC sections to go along with the BLL. I would like to continue using the E&E for Contracts if anyone has any advice on how to approach the book because trying to search through it to find relevant sections sucks. Should I just read it cover to cover?


i've had generally the same experience. i'm going to stick with just reading Chirelstein (i'm guessing this is your "recommended primer") and maybe doing the occasional CALI lesson and i'll come back to the E&E in Oct/Nov when we've done enough to make it worthwhile.


Hmm...I was just about to dig into the E & E, but maybe I'll outline Chirelstein's stuff instead? I'm gonna have to take a look at this and see what's up....


I recommend Chirelstein's supplement as well (Concepts and Case Analysis in the Law of Contracts), it has really helped me to understand what we've done so far.


Yeah it seems good so far...I'm only a little way through it though.


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pandacot wrote:
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That and even though i'm trying to log in 48 study hours a week, doing the readings w/ supplements & crafting my outline has taken most of my time with little time to get too far ahead (though I have found time to do practice hypos every now and then)

Question: how long does it take each of you to do your readings/supplemental prep work for each class session and what do you do?

Just getting an idea of what kind of time frame to shoot for, I remember Arrow mentioned 2 hours for mini-briefs and reading.


I think I usually spend a couple hours on briefing the cases. Maybe more time when there are extensive notes after the case/section. The majority of my learning has come from E&E's, notes and hornbooks, so I try to allocate my time on the sources that I feel give me a better grasp of the information.

Just wondering.. where have you been getting your hypos from or are you just using hypos from casebooks/E&E's?


short hypos from E&E and gilberts, sometimes the big ones off planet law school, or looking through old tests


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Tip that I'm trying to work off of = do all reading on weekend in advance.

Along with paying attention to rules and not facts, I think those are the main things for me.


How has that worked for you? Do you just go over the reading again during the following week? Seems like a good way to burn out.


I dunno, I (apparently) had swine flu the first week, so I fell behind a little bit and had to play some catch-up the Sunday before the second week. I stayed in, had some coffee, read, briefed...it was pretty relaxing actually. What I'm ideally going to do is have the reading done in advance and organize my notes during the week and try and focus on possible test scenarios at that point...maybe go to some office hours, student org. meetings, things like that as well. The downside is that I'll have to wake up a little earlier on the weekend, but there seems to enough upside in terms of flexibility and preparedness to be worth it.


Oh my goodness, I hope you're feeling better!

I confess that I've been reading the E&Es, and highlighting instead of briefing. I need to buy hornbooks as well. I have the legalines keyed to each casebook, and they've been invaluable.


LOL, I have the casenotes series too.


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guys for those of you who hate to brief (like me!) canned briefs found on google are the absolute nuts. i still read the cases, but i feel like if i had to i could get by with SOME (not all) of these canned briefs if cold-called


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guys for those of you who hate to brief (like me!) canned briefs found on google are the absolute nuts. i still read the cases, but i feel like if i had to i could get by with SOME (not all) of these canned briefs if cold-called


I can vouch, I've done it with 2 already. I did read the cases myself, but copied the brief straight into my notes for reference and successfully made it through two cold calls. I also usually read the briefs for the same case on two different sites just in case they have a different 'main point'.


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wiseowl wrote:
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i dont know why i want to do it like this but here goes

If you = Mac user
then http://macfreedom.com/

%"Freedom is an application that disables wireless and ethernet networking on an Apple computer for up to three hours at a time. Freedom will free you from the distractions of the internet, allowing you time to code, write, or create. At the end of your selected offline period, Freedom re-enables your network, restoring everything as normal.

Freedom enforces freedom; a reboot is the only circumvention of the Freedom time limit you specify. The hassle of rebooting means you’re less likely to cheat, and you’ll be more productive."


else "SOL"

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Does anyone know if there is a PC equivalent of this program? Google and download.com weren't really pulling up anything.



i've looked, i've tried to write one. no dice. just need the willpower to turn the radio off :cry:


Dude, seriously?

Unrelated:

In week 1, I've been reading cases slower and slower... taking notes in the margins, no briefs. Working less than my classmates, I think, but I still feel like I'm still spending too long on individual cases. Have not been cold-called yet, which is like, extra nerve-wracking cause I feel like my system has not been "tested". I know the answer to professors' cold calls on other people - idk, half the time? But the other half is either tiny details (still figuring out what's important, I guess :/ ) or unrelated to cases.

I have checked a couple of supplements out of the library. I hope to start attacking them this weekend and tone down the case reading - I trust you, TLS!


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guys for those of you who hate to brief (like me!) canned briefs found on google are the absolute nuts. i still read the cases, but i feel like if i had to i could get by with SOME (not all) of these canned briefs if cold-called


I can vouch, I've done it with 2 already. I did read the cases myself, but copied the brief straight into my notes for reference and successfully made it through two cold calls. I also usually read the briefs for the same case on two different sites just in case they have a different 'main point'.


Yup. I do the same exact thing. I've not only survived 2 cold calls, but I've been complimented by my classmates on how well I did. I didn't even read the whole case cover to cover!


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RudeDudewithAttitude wrote:
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Glannon for torts is missing a few essential topics..anyone use something else for torts? Or should I just hump the hornbook?
What about property-what's a good supplement that really emphasizes public policy/economics;


Understanding Property by Lexis is, by far, the best policy book for property. If you have Duke text for prop, then that book will be the most useful supplement you can buy, IMHO.


Credited. I am outlining this weekend and I am plugging policy arguments into my outline directly from Understand by Sprankling. Excellent stuff.


just got it today, this book is pure Gold


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how do you get hornbook in lexis?


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how do you get hornbook in lexis?


http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/con ... &topicid=6

it's nice because they are searchable, so you can cut straight to the chase.


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If this has been addressed already ITT I apologize: When reading the supplements, reading it cover to cover isn't necessary right (especially hornbooks). I really like Chemerinsky's Con Law (teaching me the subject better than the prof) but come exam time will it matter that I can cite a case that wasn't even covered in class? Trying to find the balance here...


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AdCommie wrote:
If this has been addressed already ITT I apologize: When reading the supplements, reading it cover to cover isn't necessary right (especially hornbooks). I really like Chemerinsky's Con Law (teaching me the subject better than the prof) but come exam time will it matter that I can cite a case that wasn't even covered in class? Trying to find the balance here...


Citing cases at all = rarely necessary (though con law is a major exception to that rule). Citing non-assigned cases = major party foul. There's about a 99% chance you won't get bonus points, and as a result a 99% chance that you're going to wast valuable time mentioning/discussing the point.


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thesealocust wrote:
AdCommie wrote:
If this has been addressed already ITT I apologize: When reading the supplements, reading it cover to cover isn't necessary right (especially hornbooks). I really like Chemerinsky's Con Law (teaching me the subject better than the prof) but come exam time will it matter that I can cite a case that wasn't even covered in class? Trying to find the balance here...


Citing cases at all = rarely necessary (though con law is a major exception to that rule). Citing non-assigned cases = major party foul. There's about a 99% chance you won't get bonus points, and as a result a 99% chance that you're going to wast valuable time mentioning/discussing the point.


Thanks for the quick response! Looks like I can relax the hornbook load a little...

Quick derail: I don't have a supplement for Crim Procedure and I haven't found an E&E. The class uses the Israel, Kamisar, LaFave, King book... thoughts?


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