What is a staff attorney?

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dreman510
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What is a staff attorney?

Postby dreman510 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:21 pm

As well as Counsel and Of Counsel?
Im trying to get a feel for how schools place in certain firms.
Thanks

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Stillwrong
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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby Stillwrong » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:33 pm

Staff Attorney at my firm is a dead end job and not something you want...low pay, document review (BORING)

Of Counsel is higher in pay and prestige then an Associate, but is not share holder in the firm (not a partner)

At my firm Of Counsel is again dead end job b/c you can not become a Partner and I thing that is the goal of most Big Law lawyers

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby underdawg » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:34 pm

maybe counsels have families and stuff they'd like to see

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby Bankhead » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:38 pm

Staff attorney's are permanent (non-temp) doc reviewer's.

of counsel could also be a semi-retired partner.

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby dreman510 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:42 pm

underdawg wrote:maybe counsels have families and stuff they'd like to see

hey underdawg,what happened to hermoine?

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby mochiface » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:54 pm

so what's the diff between "of counsel" (the post-associate kind, not the retired partner/former govt agency head kind) and "non-equity partner"?

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby 06072010 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:12 pm

non-equity partner can be on the way to partner track at firms with multi-level partnership structures.

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby Oblomov » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:36 pm

Stillwrong wrote:Staff Attorney at my firm is a dead end job and not something you want...low pay, document review (BORING)



Depends on the firm. Yes, it is dead end, but I've also heard that some BigLaw firms pay ~100k for people that are doing 40ish hour weeks. No, you're not going to get rich doing it, but there are worse jobs. Just because it isn't the position for you, doesn't mean it isn't the perfect position for someone else (even, dare I say, someone who is smart and well educated).

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby araiza99 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:04 pm

Staff attorney sucks because it's a bridge to nowhere. Associate is a bridge to partner.

Of Counsel are usually too experienced to be associates so it's their special position. Some Of Counsel tracks are partner, some are not.

Equity partners get a cut of the firm profits. Non-equity partners just crossed over from being an associate and just get salaries.

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby underdawg » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:58 am

dreman510 wrote:
underdawg wrote:maybe counsels have families and stuff they'd like to see

hey underdawg,what happened to hermoine?

as the best poster of the free world, i realize that my tar influences everyone, but it had to be done

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby bwv812 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:15 am

araiza99 wrote:Equity partners get a cut of the firm profits. Non-equity partners just crossed over from being an associate and just get salaries.

I believe they have voting rights, though, which is what differentiates non-equity partners (which can be intermediate or terminal positions, depending on the firm) from counsel positions (which can also be intermediate or terminal positions).

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby araiza99 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:58 pm

bwv812 wrote:
araiza99 wrote:Equity partners get a cut of the firm profits. Non-equity partners just crossed over from being an associate and just get salaries.

I believe they have voting rights, though, which is what differentiates non-equity partners (which can be intermediate or terminal positions, depending on the firm) from counsel positions (which can also be intermediate or terminal positions).


Yeah.

Basically if you are an equity partner then you are a full business owner (of a group). If you are non-equity then you are a junior partner.

Of Counsel also gets a different bonus structure. They get paid if they bring in clients.

Usually, Of Counsel people tend to be older and too experienced to be associates but way too overqualified to be staff.

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby dreman510 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:37 pm

underdawg wrote:
dreman510 wrote:
underdawg wrote:maybe counsels have families and stuff they'd like to see

hey underdawg,what happened to hermoine?

as the best poster of the free world, i realize that my tar influences everyone, but it had to be done

Alyson Hannigan aint too bad either.HIMYM=Awesome

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby underdawg » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:21 pm

lily aldrin v. hermione

it's a close call

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby dreman510 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:22 pm

underdawg wrote:lily aldrin v. hermione

it's a close call

Ted Mosby (architect) vs Harry Potter?

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby cuin2010 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:34 pm

Do of counsels work insane hours like partners do, or do they have a (generally) lighter workload?

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Re: What is a staff attorney?

Postby 06072010 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:54 pm

Lighter.




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