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 Post subject: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:13 am 
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wouldn't this be a useful way in determining the truthfulness of resumes (i.e. job length )?


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there are no employment dates on W2's.....


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:17 am 
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you're right. but there would be variances in income..


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What does this have to do with .. anything?


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:36 am 
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I'm only asking because I was thinking of this the other day and thought it could be a good way to verify the accuracy of resumes.


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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jgc02a wrote:
I'm only asking because I was thinking of this the other day and thought it could be a good way to verify the accuracy of resumes.


Your state bar will pull IRS income records and compare your law school application resume with the records. The schools have no incentive to do it; no skin off their backs if they have your money and three years later it turns out you falsified your resume.


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excellent..thanks brah! 8)


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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SilverE2 wrote:
jgc02a wrote:
I'm only asking because I was thinking of this the other day and thought it could be a good way to verify the accuracy of resumes.


Your state bar will pull IRS income records and compare your law school application resume with the records. The schools have no incentive to do it; no skin off their backs if they have your money and three years later it turns out you falsified your resume.


I sort of doubt they actually do this.


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I tend to agree because it takes alot more effort. Nevertheless, I think if you wanted to dig into the details, you could probably bust some folks ya know?


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Except it's not that easy just to get people's tax records without a really good reason.


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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Except it's not that easy just to get people's tax records without a really good reason.


Wouldn't for example an HR department be able to do that? I know they usually pull credit history..


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I worked at a company that does background checks for a few years - it is exceedingly common for large employers (including law firms) to use a third party company to not only contact the people you list as references, but independently contact the HR department where you worked to verify the exact dates you reported on your resume or employment forms. They don't need your tax info, they just need Debbie in HR at ACME co. to check her files.

Employers also frequently check credit scores and education claims. So... don't lie on your resume.


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jgc02a wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Except it's not that easy just to get people's tax records without a really good reason.


Wouldn't for example an HR department be able to do that? I know they usually pull credit history..


Your credit history is a service companies provide for a fee. It's not private like IRS files.


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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Oh I should mention they also check the EXACT job title - some companies have strict policies about only confirming or denying information (including dates), so you should use your official, exact job title on your resume, and the exact correct dates.

For example: you wrote "Senior Customer Service Specialist from April 2013 to June 2014"
your actual title was just Customer service representative level II, and you actually started in May

Technically this is pretty close, but if their policy is to only confirm or deny info, you're fucked, because the person hiring you will see a report that just says:

"Jane Doe claimed that her job title was Senior Customer Service Specialist. The John Smith, HR Manager at ABC company, indicated that this was not accurate. Jane Doe also claimed to have started working at ABC company in April 2013. Mr. Smith indicated that this was not true, though he confirmed that Jane left the company in June 2014."

They can also confirm your reason for leaving (fired/laid off/resigned - they usually don't give details, especially if you resigned) so don't lie about that either!


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very interesting. thanks man, you rock!


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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Desert Fox wrote:
SilverE2 wrote:
jgc02a wrote:
I'm only asking because I was thinking of this the other day and thought it could be a good way to verify the accuracy of resumes.


Your state bar will pull IRS income records and compare your law school application resume with the records. The schools have no incentive to do it; no skin off their backs if they have your money and three years later it turns out you falsified your resume.


I sort of doubt they actually do this.


yep

if you can point out anyone who so much as got called before the committee because they put may-july for a summer job in college when it was really june-july i'd be all ears

the bar is much more about confirming what you put on the bar application than trolling your law school app or any other paper trail you have for any possible misstatements. the bar simply doesn't have the resources for the latter, that's why they come down hard on nondisclosure on the bar app - because you are really their main source of information. i've read that even if they do compare your bar and LS app it's more them e-mailing your dean and saying "applicant told us about X arrest, confirm/deny he told you that too." they're not sitting with a microscope and your LS app verifying if you were actually the president of the chess club your freshman year of undergrad

that said none of us really know shit so the safest thing to do is not lie. but if you're off by a month on your law school app because you didn't keep records the bar isn't going to pwn you


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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Georgia Avenue wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
SilverE2 wrote:
jgc02a wrote:
I'm only asking because I was thinking of this the other day and thought it could be a good way to verify the accuracy of resumes.


Your state bar will pull IRS income records and compare your law school application resume with the records. The schools have no incentive to do it; no skin off their backs if they have your money and three years later it turns out you falsified your resume.


I sort of doubt they actually do this.


yep

if you can point out anyone who so much as got called before the committee because they put may-july for a summer job in college when it was really june-july i'd be all ears

the bar is much more about confirming what you put on the bar application than trolling your law school app or any other paper trail you have for any possible misstatements. the bar simply doesn't have the resources for the latter, that's why they come down hard on nondisclosure on the bar app - because you are really their main source of information. i've read that even if they do compare your bar and LS app it's more them e-mailing your dean and saying "applicant told us about X arrest, confirm/deny he told you that too." they're not sitting with a microscope and your LS app verifying if you were actually the president of the chess club your freshman year of undergrad

that said none of us really know shit so the safest thing to do is not lie. but if you're off by a month on your law school app because you didn't keep records the bar isn't going to pwn you


Agreed. Also for many LS students all the experience they have are internships with employers who do not have formal HR departments and consequently do not keep formal records of all their past interns with accompanying dates and titles. W-2s also would not be useful for many people's past experiences because of the prevalence of unpaid internships.


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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Georgia Avenue wrote:
even if they do compare your bar and LS app it's more them e-mailing your dean and saying "applicant told us about X arrest, confirm/deny he told you that too."


They absolutely do this with regard to C&F issues (and no, being president of the chess club is not a c&f issue).

It's made more complicated where the call of the questions are different. For example:

Law School App:
Have you ever been convicted of and/or pleaded guilty or nolo contendere (no contest) to any violation of the criminal laws other than a minor traffic violation?
Are there any charges pending against you which, if you were to be convicted, would require you to answer “yes” to the previous question?

Bar App:
Have you within the last ten (10) years been arrested, cited or ticketed for, or charged with any violation of the law? You must report any such offenses involving alcohol or drugs. You must report any failure to appear charge or warrant resulting from any such offense. You must report any failure to maintain financial responsibility (legally required auto insurance) arrest, citation, ticket, or charge. You may exclude only Class C misdemeanor traffic violations.

But as far employment goes, far more reliable for dates and position would be the call to HR and former supervisors.


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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right, i agree with that. they'll absolutely check the C&F parts. but beyond that, i'm skeptical they pull your entire app and conduct an independent investigation into the accuracy of everything you put on there.

as an aside, i've actually wondered how bars handle the C&F comparison when the bar question is leaps and bounds broader than the law school question. for instance, the law school questions asks "have you ever been arrested, cited, charged, tried or convicted excluding minor traffic violations." the bar question (in my state at least) asks if you've ever been any of those things, PLUS taken into custody, questioned, formally or informally detained (wut) or basically had any interactions with a cop whatsoever beyond "howdy neighbor."

so if a student had a run-in with the cops where they stopped him, ran his ID, came back clean, and let him go, that's clearly not something the law app calls for - and not something a 22 year old with no legal background would ever think to include, if he even remembers it. but depending on how broadly you want to read the bar app, you might have to tell them about this. is the bar at that point going to say "oh ho ho! he didn't tell his law school about this BAM PWND"

i doubt it, but i wouldn't be surprised if something like that ever happened.


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 Post subject: Re: using W2 info for spotting falsified resumes?
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Georgia Avenue wrote:

so if a student had a run-in with the cops where they stopped him, ran his ID, came back clean, and let him go, that's clearly not something the law app calls for - and not something a 22 year old with no legal background would ever think to include, if he even remembers it. but depending on how broadly you want to read the bar app, you might have to tell them about this. is the bar at that point going to say "oh ho ho! he didn't tell his law school about this BAM PWND"


Um, wouldn't it be a valid defense that the answers differ because the fucking questions are different?? I really can't see anyone getting jammed up for the situation you described.

Now, if the broader bar application question reveals some criminal act that the narrower LS application question didn't, and that act itself gives the C&F committee reason to question whether you should have a license, that's a different matter.


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