Externship v. Journal

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11law01
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Externship v. Journal

Postby 11law01 » Mon May 22, 2017 11:30 pm

How would having a 2L Fall externship lined up, but no journal experience look going into OCI?

I attend the newly dubbed T-15 school with grades hovering around the median, which is likely to remain the same. I started my summer internship the day after I finished finals at a reputable gov. regulatory agency. Currently sluggishly working through write on, and I have not made good progress. Working full time I don't have the hours to put into this to do super well. I am going to complete write on either way, but if only get on a really second tier journal would it look better, or the same, if I just took a Fall externship? My school allows 2L Fall externship programs and my supervisor was very open to the idea of me staying into the Fall. (I'm also asking this as a safety net in case I get on no journals, and because journal work sounds miserable and my job is not miserable.)

Appreciate the help,

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby mcmand » Tue May 23, 2017 1:29 am

11law01 wrote:How would having a 2L Fall externship lined up, but no journal experience look going into OCI?

I attend the newly dubbed T-15 school with grades hovering around the median, which is likely to remain the same. I started my summer internship the day after I finished finals at a reputable gov. regulatory agency. Currently sluggishly working through write on, and I have not made good progress. Working full time I don't have the hours to put into this to do super well. I am going to complete write on either way, but if only get on a really second tier journal would it look better, or the same, if I just took a Fall externship? My school allows 2L Fall externship programs and my supervisor was very open to the idea of me staying into the Fall. (I'm also asking this as a safety net in case I get on no journals, and because journal work sounds miserable and my job is not miserable.)

Appreciate the help,


Just do both, even if it's not law review. While some employers don't care about journal, many do, even if it's not law review, and you're only hurting yourself not doing it.
Work efficiently, manage your time well, and you'll be fine. Most people at my school did externships + journal, it's not an either/or proposition in many cases.

Also, many people work and do write-on at the same time. Yeah, it sucks. Bite the bullet, pour yourself some coffee, make it happen. I know this isn't the most sympathetic view, but I would hope you have a better excuse in an interview if they ask you "why not journal?" than "I had a hard time balancing multiple obligations."

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue May 23, 2017 6:11 am

Yeah, firms look for a journal on your resume. It's a signal in the same way that your class rank and school reputation are signals.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby hiima3L » Thu May 25, 2017 3:47 am

Do both.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby ChristineBaskets » Tue May 30, 2017 5:47 pm

mcmand wrote:


cavalier1138 wrote:Yeah, firms look for a journal on your resume. It's a signal in the same way that your class rank and school reputation are signals.


hiima3L wrote:Do both.


Weird question: because OCI takes place before Fall semester, how do you signify the fact that you're on a journal & taking an externship in the Fall? Do you just throw them on your resume even though you haven't started yet?

Also - any other ideas for some not-completely-worthless extracurricular activities? I'm planning on being on a (probably secondary) journal in the Fall, and also doing an externship -- but I'm not sure what to do in terms of extracurriculars going forward.

More externships? I don't really want to do moot court. Not sure about clinics. And if I get an offer at OCI, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to have the motivation to take on anything from Spring 2L-onward.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue May 30, 2017 6:02 pm

ChristineBaskets wrote:Weird question: because OCI takes place before Fall semester, how do you signify the fact that you're on a journal & taking an externship in the Fall? Do you just throw them on your resume even though you haven't started yet?


Yes.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue May 30, 2017 7:28 pm

Yup.

Also do clinics. Do multiple internships. Anything that involves practice gets you much better experience and connections than classes will. (Yes much of this will be after OCI but after you get a job at OCI and then do your SA and get an offer you can do what you like. Till then get as much experience as you can.)

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby mcmand » Wed May 31, 2017 10:40 pm

Take on experiences you want and are interesting to you, with journal and at least an externship as a bare minimum baseline. If there's a clinic that appeals to you, get that practical experience. If there's another externship, do that, too. If you like moot court (sounds like you don't, but if you change your mind), do that. Or if your school has transactional competitions and that's your cup of tea, do that. If there's a student org that will get you face time with attorneys or volunteering with certain kinds of clients you want to work with, do that.

Nony has it right: do all the things that interest you and get you practical experience + networking, notwithstanding hours in the day and making sure you have time to sleep and be healthy.

I did two externships, journal, led a student org, and did a moot court competition. I regret missing out on a couple of other things I would've liked to do, but I felt like all those things were manageable. I also felt like I learned a TON about actually applying what I learned in the classroom to real world legal problems when I did the externships.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby xjustyoursmile » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:49 am

It depends on what you want to do, what kind of externship, and how you balance your work. I chose to do a 2L externship at a big tech company rather than journal. I'm sure you could do both, but the externship demanded being on call even on weekends and I was on the board of one of the largest student orgs on campus so I knew I'd already be swamped considering I was taking 15 credits on top of that.

No one at OCI asked me why I wasn't on journal. I decided not to pursue law firms my 2L, took an RA part time position for 3L on top of other internships etc to get the writing and bluebooking experience. And now I'm.headed to a big law firm in NY after completing a fellowship after graduating.

I know people say do both, but you know better what makes you feel overwhelmed and what doesn't.

I don't think it'll hurt you in OCI as long as you have a good explanation, the externship is relevant to what you ultimately want to do, and you get the writing and bluebooking exp elsewhere at another time.

Also remember OCI isn't the end all be all to end up at a law firm.

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Re: Externship v. Journal

Postby TheSpanishMain » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:42 pm

Take this with a huge hunk of salt because it's just an anecdote, but I didn't do journal (knew I wasn't going to make main journal and secondary journal sounded miserable and pointless) and didn't suffer for it. The only time it came up during OCI the associate interviewing me congratulated me on passing on the pointless busy work. YMMV.




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