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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:29 pm

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jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish.|

I've been working at a top law firm for several years, so allow me to pay it forward by giving you some advice:

1. Work hard! A lot of new associates make the mistake of not working hard. Don't fall into that trap!

2. Respond to emails! Partners hate it when you ignore their emails for days or weeks at a time. When you get an email, write back!

3. Submit high-quality work. For example, if a partner asks you to draft a motion to dismiss, write it using clear, persuasive language. Don't make the mistake of doing a bad job when a good job is called for!
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smaug wrote:You were top 10 and landed at Skadden?

Mortifying.

Thanks for clarifying! I thought OP went to The Australian National University and is working at Minter Ellison in Canberra, Australia.


Thanks for the advice from rpupkin! Nice to know there are some friendly and helpful posters around here instead of bitter sarcastic ones.

Shout outs to this psychic poster who guessed I went to the ANU. My identity would have been concealed if not for him/her.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:39 pm

Also important to remember that you should dress the part when you're interviewing for a big law firm job! They want to see that you'll fit in to their culture.

Professors also really don't like seeing you falling asleep during their lectures. If you can at all avoid it, stay awake and take notes!

I'm really hoping you're not obtuse enough to fail to realize rpupkin was making fun of your advice.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby FascinatedWanderer » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:54 pm

So apparently the Brits are still shipping their crazies to Australia.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:58 pm

UVA2B wrote:Also important to remember that you should dress the part when you're interviewing for a big law firm job! They want to see that you'll fit in to their culture.

Professors also really don't like seeing you falling asleep during their lectures. If you can at all avoid it, stay awake and take notes!

I'm really hoping you're not obtuse enough to fail to realize rpupkin was making fun of your advice.


I was giving rpupkin the benefit of the doubt without reading his post carefully tbh.

All these posts demonstrate the mean-spirited attitude of these US posters. I am really disappointed. I didn't think that so many Americans really are that racist and pretentious to think that they are the best and that everyone else sucks.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:00 pm

jessjaneeve wrote:
UVA2B wrote:Also important to remember that you should dress the part when you're interviewing for a big law firm job! They want to see that you'll fit in to their culture.

Professors also really don't like seeing you falling asleep during their lectures. If you can at all avoid it, stay awake and take notes!

I'm really hoping you're not obtuse enough to fail to realize rpupkin was making fun of your advice.


I was giving rpupkin the benefit of the doubt without reading his post carefully tbh.

All these posts demonstrate the mean-spirited attitude of these US posters. I am really disappointed. I didn't think that so many Americans really are that racist and pretentious to think that they are the best and that everyone else sucks.


Calling it. Troll.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:13 pm

UVA2B wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:
UVA2B wrote:Also important to remember that you should dress the part when you're interviewing for a big law firm job! They want to see that you'll fit in to their culture.

Professors also really don't like seeing you falling asleep during their lectures. If you can at all avoid it, stay awake and take notes!

I'm really hoping you're not obtuse enough to fail to realize rpupkin was making fun of your advice.


I was giving rpupkin the benefit of the doubt without reading his post carefully tbh.

All these posts demonstrate the mean-spirited attitude of these US posters. I am really disappointed. I didn't think that so many Americans really are that racist and pretentious to think that they are the best and that everyone else sucks.


Calling it. Troll.


I am not a troll. Everything I said on this forum is 100% true.

It's just that with so many posters demonstrating their arrogance and ridiculing me, even to the point of calling me a "crazy", I just stated my disappointment with these posters from the so-called US "top law schools". I am sure that there are many good lawyers who aren't mean and belittle those from other countries. I am just disappointed that I have found none of these on this forum thus far.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:19 pm

jessjaneeve wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:
UVA2B wrote:Also important to remember that you should dress the part when you're interviewing for a big law firm job! They want to see that you'll fit in to their culture.

Professors also really don't like seeing you falling asleep during their lectures. If you can at all avoid it, stay awake and take notes!

I'm really hoping you're not obtuse enough to fail to realize rpupkin was making fun of your advice.


I was giving rpupkin the benefit of the doubt without reading his post carefully tbh.

All these posts demonstrate the mean-spirited attitude of these US posters. I am really disappointed. I didn't think that so many Americans really are that racist and pretentious to think that they are the best and that everyone else sucks.


Calling it. Troll.


I am not a troll. Everything I said on this forum is 100% true.

It's just that with so many posters demonstrating their arrogance and ridiculing me, even to the point of calling me a "crazy", I just stated my disappointment with these posters from the so-called US "top law schools". I am sure that there are many good lawyers who aren't mean and belittle those from other countries. I am just disappointed that I have found none of these on this forum thus far.


You're right, everything you've said here adds depths of wisdom to these fora never graced before. Congrats, you've reinvented law school success.

From here on out, hornbooks will drive my entire study regimen. Thank you, sensei.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby RaceJudicata » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:24 pm

I've heard that being on time is helpful. However, I haven't been able to corroborate that. Finally, we have a voice of reason on this forum. OP - do you advise being on time? Or is late preferable?

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby PeanutsNJam » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:30 pm

jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist? Just lol at you believing that people are ridiculing you out of nationalistic pride and not the fact that maybe your initial post is, on its own, cocky and arrogant.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:37 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby Redfactor » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:44 pm

jessjaneeve wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.


You spelled realize wrong.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby mjb447 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:44 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.


This is a big part of it for me. If this had been presented just as an intro or quick tips or something from a new poster, it still wouldn't have been very helpful, but I probably wouldn't have been snarky. As it stands, there's a big disconnect between the results promised and the usefulness of the advice, to the extent that this post reads mostly as an excuse for OP to brag using weird metrics.

And, for the record, I was mean and belittling well before I knew OP was from another country.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:52 pm

Redfactor wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.


You spelled realize wrong.


It's spelt both ways... realise and realize. I am a competitive Scrabble player fyi.

The reason why I posted my credentials was not to be arrogant or boast. It's because if I didn't, how credible or reliable would the advice be? I was merely doing the same as other posters had done tbh. Anyway, I think I am done with this forum. There are too many arrogant people here putting others down without realizing/realising how off-putting it could be to a new poster just trying to help. Go on reading full cases if you wish, but that is truly not time-efficient or as useful as merely reading hornbooks and practising past exams.

Peace out.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:55 pm

jessjaneeve wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.


Ok, done playing nice. You posted shitty advice. Get over it. You have offered nothing to this community, and you should feel bad thinking you did. Get the lay of the land before you drop knowledge like "supplements will help you better understand the black letter of the law."

You're bad at giving advice, and I hope you know that.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby lawlorbust » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:57 pm

UVA2B wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.


Ok, done playing nice. You posted shitty advice. Get over it. You have offered nothing to this community, and you should feel bad thinking you did. Get the lay of the land before you drop knowledge like "supplements will help you better understand the black letter of the law."

You're bad at giving advice, and I hope you know that.


(UVA poster mad as fuarkkk his school isn't top 10 in the world)

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:01 am

lawlorbust wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
jessjaneeve wrote:Look, I know there are outliers in the ranking that I posted (e.g. American University, which I know isn't that hot in the US News rankings). But honestly, I can't believe the pretentious attitude of some of these posters. I graduated at the top of my uni (which is a very good uni for law), made law review and am working at a great firm and you discount my post like it was rubbish. I may be new here and that's why I may not be aware of everything that has been posted, but you don't have to be so mean. Especially when the tips I posted are actually a good summary of study advice instead of the extremely long posts of advice that some of you hail as golden advice on these forums. :|


Your post is being discounted as rubbish because it's basically "read supplements, and if you study really hard and are smart like me, you too can be successful like I am!" when you're at Skadden.

Congrats on your great grades and congrats on your biglaw job, but your post reeks of arrogance, which is why people are shitting on you. It has nothing to do with the relative prestige of your law school, which is something you seem to be quite insecure about.

I also don't see how American are being racist when you're Australian, and presumably white just like most posters here. You might not be white, but if we have no way of knowing your race, how are we being racist?


On the contrary, it is posters like UVA2B that demonstrate their arrogance. I was genuinely trying to give good tips on how to succeed in law school. I was unaware that all the posters here already know that information. From experience, most don't, and that is why they don't excel at law school. But good for you if you are already doing well at law school and don't need advice. My advice is directed towards those who need it and want a summary of tips (as I realise most other guides on this site are super long to the point of being unreadable).

P.S. My goodness, I am not at Skadden as you should realise by now.


Ok, done playing nice. You posted shitty advice. Get over it. You have offered nothing to this community, and you should feel bad thinking you did. Get the lay of the land before you drop knowledge like "supplements will help you better understand the black letter of the law."

You're bad at giving advice, and I hope you know that.


(UVA poster mad as fuarkkk his school isn't top 10 in the world)


The joke was funny the first time, and maybe the second time to bring full circle. Now you're just beating a dead horse.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby LukeChoo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:25 am

Sup, everyone, I think all of you are being too unkind to jessjaneeve. I have been lurking around the TLS forums for years now but never created an account because I felt it unnecessary. But this thread has shown the ugly side of TLS. Grow up and realise that there are several ways of doing well at law school. I graduated summa cum laude at a HYS law school a while back. And guesss what, I actually did what jessjaneeve recommended: primarily reading hornbooks and only reading key full judgments when necessary. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:31 am

LukeChoo wrote:Sup, everyone, I think all of you are being too unkind to jessjaneeve. I have been lurking around the TLS forums for years now but never created an account because I felt it unnecessary. But this thread has shown the ugly side of TLS. Grow up and realise that there are several ways of doing well at law school. I graduated summa cum laude at a HYS law school a while back. And guesss what, I actually did what jessjaneeve recommended: primarily reading hornbooks and only reading key full judgments when necessary. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh, honey, this is some of the most transparent sock-puppeting I've ever seen. Don't pretend you're actually a different person from jessjaneeve.

Maybe if someone wants to post tips on a forum they should read around to find out what's there already first.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby jessjaneeve » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:50 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
LukeChoo wrote:Sup, everyone, I think all of you are being too unkind to jessjaneeve. I have been lurking around the TLS forums for years now but never created an account because I felt it unnecessary. But this thread has shown the ugly side of TLS. Grow up and realise that there are several ways of doing well at law school. I graduated summa cum laude at a HYS law school a while back. And guesss what, I actually did what jessjaneeve recommended: primarily reading hornbooks and only reading key full judgments when necessary. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh, honey, this is some of the most transparent sock-puppeting I've ever seen. Don't pretend you're actually a different person from jessjaneeve.

Maybe if someone wants to post tips on a forum they should read around to find out what's there already first.

Tbh Luke is my close friend and I told him to post and stand up for me. But he emailed me saying he was banned after one post because they thought he was my alt! Anyway I am done with this abusive forum for good. Bye!

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:54 am

lol

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:54 am

jessjaneeve wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
LukeChoo wrote:Sup, everyone, I think all of you are being too unkind to jessjaneeve. I have been lurking around the TLS forums for years now but never created an account because I felt it unnecessary. But this thread has shown the ugly side of TLS. Grow up and realise that there are several ways of doing well at law school. I graduated summa cum laude at a HYS law school a while back. And guesss what, I actually did what jessjaneeve recommended: primarily reading hornbooks and only reading key full judgments when necessary. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh, honey, this is some of the most transparent sock-puppeting I've ever seen. Don't pretend you're actually a different person from jessjaneeve.

Maybe if someone wants to post tips on a forum they should read around to find out what's there already first.

Tbh Luke is my close friend and I told him to post and stand up for me. But he emailed me saying he was banned after one post because they thought he was my alt! Anyway I am done with this abusive forum for good. Bye!


You've contributed, bye!

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby Redfactor » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:00 am

LukeChoo wrote:Sup, everyone, I think all of you are being too unkind to jessjaneeve. I have been lurking around the TLS forums for years now but never created an account because I felt it unnecessary. But this thread has shown the ugly side of TLS. Grow up and realise that there are several ways of doing well at law school. I graduated summa cum laude at a HYS law school a while back. And guesss what, I actually did what jessjaneeve recommended: primarily reading hornbooks and only reading key full judgments when necessary. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.


You spelled realize wrong.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby lawlorbust » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:28 am

UVA2B wrote:
lawlorbust wrote:(UVA poster mad as fuarkkk his school isn't top 10 in the world)


The joke was funny the first time, and maybe the second time to bring full circle. Now you're just beating a dead horse.


In my personal experience, students from world-50 (W-50) law schools usually need to hear the joke three times before they get it.

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Re: Tips from a top law school graduate

Postby UVA2B » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:19 am

lawlorbust wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
lawlorbust wrote:(UVA poster mad as fuarkkk his school isn't top 10 in the world)


The joke was funny the first time, and maybe the second time to bring full circle. Now you're just beating a dead horse.


In my personal experience, students from world-50 (W-50) law schools usually need to hear the joke three times before they get it.


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