GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

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GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby desperate4lawschool » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:24 am

Am a GW Law alum and when I attended the school, it was ranked #20 nationally and #2 in the part-time program. Now, schools like the University of Iowa and the University of Minnesota rank higher. Can a current student tell me if this issue has been raised internally and/or whether students are concerned with this downward spiral? Has that affected recruiting and judicial placements? What's going on?

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:41 am

I don't go there, but maybe it has something to do with their employment numbers dropping precipitously after 2011. If I were a student, I'd be very concerned that almost a third of my class will not have a job as a lawyer after graduation.

Also, I'm guessing you went there in 2010/2011. If you look at the historical USNWR rankings, GW jumped up 8 places in 2010, and after a few years, they're now falling back down to where they were. So you were attending during an outlier year, not the other way around.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby FSK » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:43 am

Just graduated from there this spring (I ended up with bigfed honors, so I'm only normal-level-bitter).

They just admit too many kids, and the patent market has slowed down. The top 75 or so kids do well, but that is a smaller relative percentage as they ratchet up the transfer class each year.

With the benefit of hindsight, we know that 2010/2011 was 1) a valley for the legal market generally, 2) a hot time for cell-phone wars, and 3) GW has and still has a bench of Prof's who do make a ton of calls for patent kids.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby desperate4lawschool » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:00 pm

FSK wrote:They just admit too many kids, and the patent market has slowed down.


This is what I actually feared when I attended there. I always felt like GW Law was a lawyer mill, outputting lawyers left and right. Right now, GW has an amazing faculty, well-recognized around the world for their respective field. I am afraid that with the drops in rankings, those faculties will start to leave and that will really be the time when GW will start sliding down. It is the most expensive school in the DMV area, in hindsight, I should have saved some money and gone to Mason. The outcome would have been the same.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby FSK » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:04 pm

desperate4lawschool wrote:
FSK wrote:They just admit too many kids, and the patent market has slowed down.


This is what I actually feared when I attended there. I always felt like GW Law was a lawyer mill, outputting lawyers left and right. Right now, GW has an amazing faculty, well-recognized around the world for their respective field. I am afraid that with the drops in rankings, those faculties will start to leave and that will really be the time when GW will start sliding down. It is the most expensive school in the DMV area, in hindsight, I should have saved some money and gone to Mason. The outcome would have been the same.


Yeah, this. It attracts folks like Orin Kerr and Alan Morrison, but they can only make so many calls per year.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:47 pm

I don't think profs are going to leave due to dropping out of the top 20; that doesn't change anything about their job. And it's pretty hard to move around in academia. If they don't want to be in DC then they'd be likely to try to move, or if they get a call from a really top school (though even for amazing profs, that doesn't happen that much/easily), but I don't think USNWR is going to have any effect.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby WhiskeyAndCupcakes » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:48 pm

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby TheSpanishMain » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:33 pm

Just curious, does anyone care what USNWR says about anything anymore, aside from 0Ls looking at law school rankings? It seems like a pretty irrelevant grocery checkout line fare otherwise.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby longtimelurker123 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Can't tell you how true this is but according to GW friends, GW Professors are precisely the reason for the drop.

Apparently, back in 2012ish, GW hired a dean that had an awesome plan to raise the school's rankings. It basically involved reducing the student body significantly.

however, professors started getting worried that there wasn't enough tuition money and they actually staged a coupe and basically pushed the dean out. Since then, the subsequent deans have been wary about reducing student base and have actualyl expanded enrollment. This is in the face of decreasing applications and decreasing student populations at other peer schools.

Thus, rankings drop.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby Capitol_Idea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:17 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:Just curious, does anyone care what USNWR says about anything anymore, aside from 0Ls looking at law school rankings? It seems like a pretty irrelevant grocery checkout line fare otherwise.

(protesteth the GULC grad whose school just got DEVASTATED by the rankings probably forever omg)

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby dbalkaran » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:32 pm

I just posted this in the Brooklyn thread, but at least in NY they have not placed well compared to strong regionals like Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn and St. John's in the last few years. No reason to pay substantially more to go to GW when the outcome is better from a strong regional where you're likely to get more money (maybe not at Fordham) and have more alumni connections in the city you want to practice. They seem to have developed a rep as a trap school around here. High ranking, poor placement for NYC.

You can see the breakdown in the link below but Brooklyn has 68 current associates in V10 firms in NYC compared to 21 from GW which is supposedly 58 spots better than Brooklyn. I have no idea why someone who wants to work in New York would consider GW over the the schools I mentioned unless it was substantially cheaper. The numbers for Fordham would be even better than those for Brooklyn.

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Re: GW Law Students Know Why Drop in Rankings?

Postby SemiReverseSplinter » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:09 am

TheSpanishMain wrote:Just curious, does anyone care what USNWR says about anything anymore, aside from 0Ls looking at law school rankings? It seems like a pretty irrelevant grocery checkout line fare otherwise.


0Ls are a very important demographic for law schools, so the school itself has to care. And alum should care because quality 0Ls improve the strength of each class, and ultimately, the school. So it's somewhat circular logic, but anything that will attract a 0L to a specific school does matter.




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