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Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby TheUnderperformer » Sat May 21, 2016 12:24 pm

So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby WheninLaw » Sat May 21, 2016 2:17 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).


What the hell sort of school 1) gets you on LR with a GPA above a 2.67 and 2) gives a C- and 3) "bars" participation on LR?

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby acr » Sat May 21, 2016 2:22 pm

WheninLaw wrote:
TheUnderperformer wrote:So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).


What the hell sort of school 1) gets you on LR with a GPA above a 2.67 and 2) gives a C- and 3) "bars" participation on LR?


1) Having a 2.67 doesn't "get someone onto LR," it makes them eligible.

2) Not that uncommon

3) Not that uncommon

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby PeanutsNJam » Sat May 21, 2016 2:23 pm

WheninLaw wrote:
TheUnderperformer wrote:So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).


What the hell sort of school 1) gets you on LR with a GPA above a 2.67 and 2) gives a C- and 3) "bars" participation on LR?


I think he qualifies to do write-on, not that he's automatically on law review.

2.67 is decidedly below median at almost all schools except like TTTTs, where maybe it's exactly median.

FWIW, OP, you very likely wouldn't have written onto law review given that your doctrinal exams were terrible and you got like the lowest grade in your legal writing class. You seriously think you're going to write a better comment than 90% of your classmates?

You're also not transferring with a 2.67.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby TheUnderperformer » Sat May 21, 2016 2:30 pm

1) The GPA requirements are to participate in the write-on competition, it doesn't automatically get you in.
2) Don't all law schools have grades from F-A?

Also, i Don't have a 2.67 GPA I have a 2.8 (though its not really that different). And a C- is not the lowest grade. Am I missing something here with the letter grade system? Are law schools incapable of giving out below a C- (failing a course)?

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Some of you are rude little shits.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby JonTheMandamus » Sat May 21, 2016 2:48 pm

At most law schools, the curve extends from A-C, where C's are discretionary. Schools have % caps for how many grades below a B- a professor is even allowed to give. That might not be the case at your school, but fwiw that's probably why you're getting combative responses.

If your school grades on a different scale, you probably won't get useful advice on your Law Review here. Most schools don't have gpa requirements to participate in write-on, because students can't get gpa's below a certain point. Instead, gpa is normally just incorporated into the actual selection process of write-on.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby El Pollito » Sat May 21, 2016 2:53 pm

doesn't this just save you from wasting time with write on?

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby TheUnderperformer » Sat May 21, 2016 3:05 pm

JonTheMandamus wrote:At most law schools, the curve extends from A-C, where C's are discretionary. Schools have % caps for how many grades below a B- a professor is even allowed to give. That might not be the case at your school, but fwiw that's probably why you're getting combative responses.


Oh wow, that does explain a lot. But no, people in my school definitely get D's and C's. Often. I haven't heard of anyone getting an F, but they probably wouldn't say so if they did.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby TheUnderperformer » Sat May 21, 2016 3:11 pm

El Pollito wrote:doesn't this just save you from wasting time with write on?


I WISH. I already finished my case note analysis a day before I got my grades.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby El Pollito » Sat May 21, 2016 3:12 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:
El Pollito wrote:doesn't this just save you from wasting time with write on?


I WISH. I already finished my case note analysis a day before I got my grades.

damn that is unfair i'm sorry

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby WheninLaw » Sat May 21, 2016 4:15 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:1) The GPA requirements are to participate in the write-on competition, it doesn't automatically get you in.
2) Don't all law schools have grades from F-A?

Also, i Don't have a 2.67 GPA I have a 2.8 (though its not really that different). And a C- is not the lowest grade. Am I missing something here with the letter grade system? Are law schools incapable of giving out below a C- (failing a course)?

P.S.

Some of you are rude little shits.


I apologize, I was not trying to be rude. Sorry about the situation you seem to be in.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby BVest » Mon May 23, 2016 11:48 am

JonTheMandamus wrote:If your school grades on a different scale, you probably won't get useful advice on your Law Review here. Most schools don't have gpa requirements to participate in write-on, because students can't get gpa's below a certain point. Instead, gpa is normally just incorporated into the actual selection process of write-on.


I think a lot of schools have GPA requirements for getting onto LR, but most don't have GPA requirements for doing the write-on, since write-on tends to follow finals more closely than the grade deadline does. Additionally, even if you don't have grades to qualify for LR, you can often qualify for secondary journals by doing the write-on. If you're borderline then you have to consider whether doing the write-on is worth the risk that you might not meet the qualifications.

Frankly, based on my read of the OP, I'm surprised TUP bothered with LR. It sounds as though they got a low score in fall LRW, requiring them to essentially retake it, and still got a low score. I don't know of other schools that have specific writing grade requirements, but it's not an irrational requirement. As long as the requirement existed prior to the write-on competition, I don't see any problem with it.


El Pollito wrote:
TheUnderperformer wrote:
El Pollito wrote:doesn't this just save you from wasting time with write on?

I WISH. I already finished my case note analysis a day before I got my grades.

damn that is unfair i'm sorry


Where I was, even those who graded onto LR had to do the write-on and put forth at least a good-faith effort. Of course, you didn't know (for sure anyway) at the time of the competition whether your effort had to be good faith or something more.

TheUnderperformer wrote: Am I missing something here with the letter grade system? Are law schools incapable of giving out below a C- (failing a course)?

Most schools are discretionary below a certain point (and that point varies based on that school's curve, with the point often being C or C+ at T1 schools). Thus a T1 prof is not required to give C-, D, F, but can.
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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby RaceJudicata » Mon May 23, 2016 11:57 am

At my school - and i'm sure others - look at both your write on scoring and grades when determining admission to LR. So...you probably weren't gonna get on regardless.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby emkay625 » Mon May 23, 2016 12:00 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:1) The GPA requirements are to participate in the write-on competition, it doesn't automatically get you in.
2) Don't all law schools have grades from F-A?

Also, i Don't have a 2.67 GPA I have a 2.8 (though its not really that different). And a C- is not the lowest grade. Am I missing something here with the letter grade system? Are law schools incapable of giving out below a C- (failing a course)?

P.S.

Some of you are rude little shits.


Maybe don't expect people you just called "rude little shits" to offer you constructive answers to your questions.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby emkay625 » Mon May 23, 2016 12:06 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).


This does seem sort of unfair to me. As I understand it, after first semester legal writing, students at your school are split into two groups. Those who did well/okay get placed in one class, and those who did below average/bad get placed in another class. And students from both classes must get a minimum grade to participate in write-on? This does seem unfair in that those in the first group now have a more difficult curve, because the students have been separated by ability.

There is probably not much you could do, but perhaps it is worth chatting with whoever sets this policy? (It might be a school policy or it might be the journal's policy.) I also doubt they'll change the rules, so this might just essentially serve to make you look like a whiner, which is probably not an impression you want to make.

So to sum up: this does seem a little unfair, but you probably can't do anything about it. To be honest, I'd be more upset about the fact that from a grade perspective, you get thrown into a harder curve than I would about the write-on rule.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby emkay625 » Mon May 23, 2016 12:11 pm

TheUnderperformer wrote:So I just got my grades back for my second semester of 1L. I qualify for Law Review by cumulative GPA (>2.67) but am now permanently barred from participation because I got a C- in my second legal memo class. Is this normal for all law schools? The kids who were in legal reasoning (the replacement memo class for people who didn't get a good enough grade in the first memo class) still have a chance to participate.

If this kind of situation is only for my specific school (all others allow second chances) then I would like to find information about transferring law schools or even starting 1L from scratch in a new school (if that's possible).


To answer your actual questions:
1. I have never heard of this before, but it might be common among lower-ranked schools. No clue. If you have friends at similarly-ranked schools, you should reach out and ask them.
2. Transferring seems unlikely given your GPA. Perhaps you could transfer to a similarly-ranked school, but you would most likely not be awarded any scholarship money. IIRC, you have a scholarship that covers the vast majority of your tuition. I don't think it would be worth losing that and end up paying sticker elsewhere bc you're upset about this policy.
3. As I explained in the other thread, I don't think you can get a mulligan on 1L unless you withdrew for medical reasons or something.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby jbagelboy » Tue May 24, 2016 12:21 am

not gonna lie, this conjures for me the teenage white kids applying to flagship state schools with shitty high school grades and below median SAT scores that complain about how minorities are stealing their rightful spots.

You were never going to get law review, or transfer, or be able to restart 1L. I recognize you're already banned but it's time to come to grip with both your choices and results and to stop looking for ways to antagonize 'the system'. I apologize if that's harsh but this website isn't designed to sugarcoat with pedantic bullshit, there's family and friends for that.

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Re: Not allowed to participate in Law Review

Postby lawlorbust » Tue May 24, 2016 1:10 am

TheUnderperformer wrote:Some of you are rude little shits.


Lol. Suck less at life.



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