Genuine advice about dropping out?

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Re: Genuine advice about dropping out?

Postby JohannDeMann » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:14 am

Young Marino wrote:
rpupkin wrote:Dropping out is certainty a reasonable choice here, but I'm going to deviate from the hive a bit. You're looking at T30 + URM + Full Ride + desire to be a lawyer. Even with below-median grades, I'm not sure you need to drop out.

Mr. Campos is right that you need to adjust your salary expectations. At least when starting out, you're unlikely to make more than $50K. But I don't think you'd be crazy to stay in school in your circumstances.


I have to agree with this post. Yes, $50k annually at a small firm is not the most desirable position to be in after graduating but keep in mind that you will make considerably more $$$ over the 30-40 year span of your legal career than most people. Further, although $100k in debt looks daunting right now, that amount of student debt can be realistically paid off in 10-15 years. If you truly want to be a lawyer, I wouldn't drop out.


This. Dropping out from a T30 is a bit of an extreme measure. At regional schools there are two tiers: law review and non law review. Once you miss top 10% at a lot of these schools, it comes down to networking. Don't put your gpa on your resume. JD advantage jobs could give two fucks about gpa. PSLF jobs give two fucks about gpa, it's about fit almost exclusively. Small firms don't care about gpa. Point is you missed biglaw, but you weren't biglaw or bust. Get out there and network. With 60k in debt already (30 UG and 30 first year) you are basically pot committed for another 60 and a law degree.

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Re: Genuine advice about dropping out?

Postby JohannDeMann » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:20 am

Paul Campos wrote:If you're not willing to gun for a $50K per year small firm job you should drop out, because that's your best case scenario at this point. You're in the bottom 10%-20% at a T30 which means any grade-sensitive jobs are out. Non-grade sensitive jobs don't pay more than mid-five figures. And PSLF-eligible jobs usually don't pay more than that either, but they're hard to get because some of your classmates have been going for them since day one, rather than treating them as a backup now that big law and big gov aren't going to be options.


This is nonsense. Almost every job besides biglaw is not grade sensitive. Compliance jobs that pay 70k in cheaper COL cities are JD advantage (a poli sci major would have 0 chance of landing without law degree). THese jobs pay close to six figs in expensive cities. He wants to be a lawyer and small firms that start at 50k (but could be six figures within 3 years or a launching pad for a solo career of six figures) are not grade sensitive. PSLF jobs are largely known as the least grade sensitive and all about fit. Local government aka everything but BigFed don't care about grades either. So basically biglaw and bigfed are grade sensitive.

You're mission to bring down law schools does not allow you to spew nonsense and cause innocent casualties along the way. You should seriously be ashamed because either you are talking about something you know nothing about (the market today) or intentionally misleading someone.

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Re: Genuine advice about dropping out?

Postby maile » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:54 pm

100k in debt without a BigLaw job is not worth the life-quality sacrifice from making loan payments no matter how passionate you are about law! Other careers like accounting are much less competitive and by mid-career you'd make much more than you would from "shitlaw." There are a number of one-year MA programs in accounting that require absolutely no background to get in as long as you have a few (e.g. intro to calculus) math pre-requisites. Even with a less than stellar undergrad GPA, a top GMAT score can get you into a decent program.




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