Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby blackacre10 » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:08 am

I did not pose this question to ask what someone else should do; I posed it to ask what I should do.


if you're going to reject the objective response (i.e., "what someone else should do"), does your subjective question have any place in an anonymous forum? looks like this is something you should decide for yourself.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby ffemt107 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:02 pm

blackacre10 wrote:
I did not pose this question to ask what someone else should do; I posed it to ask what I should do.


if you're going to reject the objective response (i.e., "what someone else should do"), does your subjective question have any place in an anonymous forum? looks like this is something you should decide for yourself.


I was unaware that "you are so dumb" is an objective response.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby Holly Golightly » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:08 pm

OP, congrats, it sounds like you made the right decision for yourself. And that job sounds pretty badass.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby goldenflash19 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:11 am

You made the right call, OP. Living at Yosemite for a summer, getting courtroom experience representing the US gov't, and sticking to your ideals beats the hell out of an at most 5% chance at a firm job you're not really that interested in.

LOL at the littering comments, though. Yosemite gets over 4 million visitors a year, and a lot of serious stuff does go down there. The work is definitely more consequential and interesting than random comma checking, that's for sure.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby beepboopbeep » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:51 am

ffemt107 wrote:On the one hand, I have an opportunity to serve the purpose that I went to law school for with free housing in the most epic setting in the country, and, on the other hand, a paid temporary position at a firm in a practice area that is only mildly interesting to me. Long term, I don't want to be at a firm- I want to work in the government or for a non-profit. Also, I'm in no debt, so I don't care how much I make for a summer.

I did not pose this question to ask what someone else should do; I posed it to ask what I should do.


Sounds like a dope summer, no debt + doing fun shit is what everyone on TLS always talks about envying, not quite sure why you're getting jumped on

That said, like, if yer serious about wanting gov work, firm -> gov prolly happens way more often than park ranger, esq -> gov on a per capita basis

Iunno, picture would be really different if you had debt or, like, the appearance of definite life goals

Do some drugs, figure that shit out, etc. Will have lots of time and a great setting to do so this summer, sounds like

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby sparty99 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:10 am

baal hadad wrote:
ffemt107 wrote:I'm going to Yosemite. The firm was chill about it. Maybe it's the best choice, maybe it's not- who cares I'm going to spend a summer as a federal criminal prosecutor for the National Park Service in Yosemite. Under the local rules there, law students can make appearances without attorneys.

It helps not having loans to pay back, it gives me freedom to do things like go to Yosemite for 10 weeks.

You are so dumb


+10,000

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:19 am

Not sure why people on here are giving OP such a hard time, if OP wants to do Gov work, this sounds like a really good choice.

People on here idolize fed gov work, and OP has the chance to do that, and to get legitimate prosecuting experience, while working at one of the most amazing places in the US.

Also, its not like OP is deciding between Wachtell and Yosemite. Regional NJ midlaw is hardly a guarantee of a post-grad offer.

Congrats OP, sounds like it'll be a great experience

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby Stevoman » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:34 pm

LOL, I love TLS.

>Guys, should I do X or Y?
>You should do X. It's the better choice for these reasons. Y is a really bad idea for these other reasons.
>Okay thanks. I'm going to do Y!

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby MarkfromWI » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:42 pm

OP, dude, props to you. With no debt, you made the right call. "Dream job" (or close to it) >>>>> some firm in NJ that probably won't employ you full time anyway. Enjoy it. I, OTOH, will be working for the next 10 yrs or so just so I can pay off my loans, quit my job, and find something like what you're doing right now. You're way ahead of the game.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby ffemt107 » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:02 pm

I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby North » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:50 pm

ffemt107 wrote:I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

Yeah but do you have a job for after graduation

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby sanjola » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:13 pm

North wrote:
ffemt107 wrote:I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

Yeah but do you have a job for after graduation


Who needs long term employment when you can go camping for 10 weeks?

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:18 pm

TBF, if they want to be a prosecutor they wouldn't have a job yet regardless, and they got decent experience. (If they don't want to be a prosecutor, then never mind.)

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby stego » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:49 pm

North wrote:
ffemt107 wrote:I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

Yeah but do you have a job for after graduation


He most likely wouldn't have had a job after graduation if he'd taken the SA position either.

Incidentally, if somebody gets murdered in a national park, who has jurisdiction over the case? The federal government?

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby bearsfan23 » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:09 pm

North wrote:
ffemt107 wrote:I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

Yeah but do you have a job for after graduation


Why is that relevant?

He climbed Half Dome and went for a boat ride!

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby Dexter97 » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:09 pm

Capitol_Idea wrote:
Worker and Parasite wrote:holy cow I want to be a park prosecutor, prosecuting yogi bear for stealing pic-a-nic baskets


It's the most preftigious outfit in BigPark work.


LMAO. BigPark or bust! Congrats on the V5 park OP :lol:

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby LeDique » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:18 pm

stasg if u commit a crime in the right part of yellowstone no one has jurisdiction fyi. please go there.

A. Nony Mouse wrote:TBF, if they want to be a prosecutor they wouldn't have a job yet regardless, and they got decent experience. (If they don't want to be a prosecutor, then never mind.)


yea, it's p. weird b/c you wouldn't see these posts if he interned as a 2L w/the a gov't agency in a city, when he'd be in exactly the same situation. folks are just having a kneejerk reaction to the fact its yosemite. i mean kind of dumb to give up the money for the summer but that's kind of a drop in the bucket and no longer what anyone is berating this guy over.

i really don't get it - he had almost no chance of getting employment from the firm and he has relevant work experience to talk about in legal interviews, a writing sample (maybe?), etc. and tbh, if i'm interviewing two fairly similar candidates, and one is telling me about the brief he wrote while interning in yosemite and the other is telling me about the brief he wrote at some random firm in newark, i'm prolly hiring the first guy for being cooler.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby jchiles » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:20 pm

Yeah this sounds like an awesome thing to talk about in an interview, I'd rather have done this and be stuck in the 3L job hunt than make a few bucks working midlaw all summer and in all likelihood be in the same situation.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby rpupkin » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:06 pm

LeDique wrote: tbh, if i'm interviewing two fairly similar candidates, and one is telling me about the brief he wrote while interning in yosemite and the other is telling me about the brief he wrote at some random firm in newark, i'm prolly hiring the first guy for being cooler.

There is truth in this.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby TransferHopeful17 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:53 am

LeDique wrote:you wouldn't see these posts if he interned as a 2L w/the a gov't agency in a city, when he'd be in exactly the same situation. folks are just having a kneejerk reaction to the fact its yosemite.

if i'm interviewing two fairly similar candidates, and one is telling me about the brief he wrote while interning in yosemite and the other is telling me about the brief he wrote at some random firm in newark, i'm prolly hiring the first guy for being cooler.


Fair points here. This would have been more ideal as a rising 2L but it's unique and if govt is a goal, I don't think it's a terrible option given that there are few guarantees there anyway.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby trey ohh five » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:06 am

stasg wrote:
North wrote:
ffemt107 wrote:I thought I'd update this post so, if anyone was/is interested, he/she could see what happened with my decision. I obviously decided to go to Yosemite National Park and I do not regret that for a second. It was the best experience of my life by any measure. I appeared in court and personally prosecuted defendants, I went on a boat ride in Hetch Hetchy, I investigated crimes with NPS special agents, I climbed Half Dome, I wrote an appellate brief that was filed unedited by the USAO, and I spent hours and hours in the wilderness. Best legal internship of all time.

Yeah but do you have a job for after graduation


He most likely wouldn't have had a job after graduation if he'd taken the SA position either.

Incidentally, if somebody gets murdered in a national park, who has jurisdiction over the case? The federal government?


This is the forum for law students. Enroll in law school and maybe you'll find out.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby AReasonableMan » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:53 am

if it's five percent it's not a typical firm position. you will also have to answer the why you're not going back at every interview. the park may be a better option with the hands on experience, and seemingly high quality of life.

Yes, the federal government would have jurisdiction but they seem to have designated it to an agency, which hired the original poster.

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Re: Summer at a firm or summer at Yosemite NP

Postby Sideshow Raheem » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:48 pm

That honestly sounds like a kickass job. Not everyone has to work in a law firm, least of all someone with zero debt. I think you made the right choice for you.




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