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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby usn26 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:00 pm

CJLaw09 wrote:
deadthrone7 wrote:
CJLaw09 wrote:
deadthrone7 wrote:Submitted my 4th package today. Good luck, everybody.


I saw earlier in the thread you are prior enlisted, too. With it being your 4th application, I assume you are a DA applicant? What type of litigation experience do you have?



I am a SP applicant. Started applying fall of 2L year, graduate in May. Had a pretty mediocre GPA that’s been steadily rising at a T2. Worked in a couple prosecutors offices in two fairly large jurisdictions and have some decent trial experience for a 3L - far more than most my peers at least.

Hoping that carries me through on my last shot here as a student.


I’m in a similar situation hoping my legal experience and prior service makes up for mediocre grades at a mediocre school. I met an LT at my SI who was selected 3 years ago at the age of 38 with 14 years of legal experience as trial counsel at a Philly law firm. So, the board does value practical experience. Good luck.


Round 4 for me as well. Suspect I will keep going until I hit 42.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby CJLaw09 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:21 pm

Now that the deadline has passed, does anyone want to share their motivational statement? There aren’t any examples from JAG applicants online. It was probably the part of the application I spent the most time on. So, posting ours could really help future applicants. I’ll start:

My civilian life revolves around being part of a team. As a father, a youth sports coach, and an avid community volunteer, the fortunes of young men and women depend on my ability to motivate, prepare, and teach them how to succeed. For me, accomplishing a shared goal with a group of people I care deeply for is far more gratifying than any victory I could enjoy as an individual.

The United States Navy is the nation’s foremost team. Built on the foundation that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, sailors and naval officers are trained to perform selfless acts in furtherance of one common goal—the preservation of freedom. It is a tradition I have longed to be a part of since I stowed away my Army fatigues fifteen years ago. Unfortunately, it is also one that has eluded me in my legal career to date.

I graduated from law school at a time when large firms and government agencies were slashing their respective workforces. Unable to feed my young family without a stable income, I was forced to hang a shingle and teach myself the finer points of lawyering without any partners, supervisors, or mentors to lean on. Nearly nine years later, I am proud to have served over 500 clients in a variety of legal disciplines. However, I’ve gone as far I can alone.

The Navy will renew my purpose as a lawyer. Working cohesively as a unit with JAG staff, I am excited with the prospect of protecting the rights of the warriors who defend our country, supporting our sailors and their families with crucial legal services, and providing command with timely, consistent, and sound advice, so they may continue to keep the homeland secure within the boundaries of the law.

Moreover, I hope to be afforded the privilege and opportunity to pass on my knowledge and skill set to a new generation of Navy Judge Advocates; mentoring them through their introduction to our esteemed profession and molding their abilities into fine-tuned tools of tradecraft. I will be honored to do for others what was never offered to me.

I am seeking a direct appointment as a U.S. Navy JAG Corp Officer because I want to utilize my unique gifts and life experiences to make a contribution to a team I can be proud of and for a mission greater than myself.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:59 pm

CJLaw09 wrote:Now that the deadline has passed, does anyone want to share their motivational statement? There aren’t any examples from JAG applicants online. It was probably the part of the application I spent the most time on. So, posting ours could really help future applicants. I’ll start:

My civilian life revolves around being part of a team. As a father, a youth sports coach, and an avid community volunteer, the fortunes of young men and women depend on my ability to motivate, prepare, and teach them how to succeed. For me, accomplishing a shared goal with a group of people I care deeply for is far more gratifying than any victory I could enjoy as an individual.

The United States Navy is the nation’s foremost team. Built on the foundation that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, sailors and naval officers are trained to perform selfless acts in furtherance of one common goal—the preservation of freedom. It is a tradition I have longed to be a part of since I stowed away my Army fatigues fifteen years ago. Unfortunately, it is also one that has eluded me in my legal career to date.

I graduated from law school at a time when large firms and government agencies were slashing their respective workforces. Unable to feed my young family without a stable income, I was forced to hang a shingle and teach myself the finer points of lawyering without any partners, supervisors, or mentors to lean on. Nearly nine years later, I am proud to have served over 500 clients in a variety of legal disciplines. However, I’ve gone as far I can alone.

The Navy will renew my purpose as a lawyer. Working cohesively as a unit with JAG staff, I am excited with the prospect of protecting the rights of the warriors who defend our country, supporting our sailors and their families with crucial legal services, and providing command with timely, consistent, and sound advice, so they may continue to keep the homeland secure within the boundaries of the law.

Moreover, I hope to be afforded the privilege and opportunity to pass on my knowledge and skill set to a new generation of Navy Judge Advocates; mentoring them through their introduction to our esteemed profession and molding their abilities into fine-tuned tools of tradecraft. I will be honored to do for others what was never offered to me.

I am seeking a direct appointment as a U.S. Navy JAG Corp Officer because I want to utilize my unique gifts and life experiences to make a contribution to a team I can be proud of and for a mission greater than myself.


Well done with exactly 400 words -- Not sure I am ready, just yet to share mine given what an easy identifier it is. But, I think that's an exceptional statement, for what my opinion is worth. There are things you touched on in there that are unique experiences,no doubt, and some structure you implemented that I will definitely use should I end up reapplying and writing another statement in the future. I think I will consider sharing mine. But not sure exactly when yet, or what elements of it I will share yet.

I need to find a hobby - some way to make most of Feb. and all of March go by a little faster without Navy JAG on the brain. haha

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby CJLaw09 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:46 pm

Dawg57 wrote:
CJLaw09 wrote:Now that the deadline has passed, does anyone want to share their motivational statement? There aren’t any examples from JAG applicants online. It was probably the part of the application I spent the most time on. So, posting ours could really help future applicants. I’ll start:

My civilian life revolves around being part of a team. As a father, a youth sports coach, and an avid community volunteer, the fortunes of young men and women depend on my ability to motivate, prepare, and teach them how to succeed. For me, accomplishing a shared goal with a group of people I care deeply for is far more gratifying than any victory I could enjoy as an individual.

The United States Navy is the nation’s foremost team. Built on the foundation that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, sailors and naval officers are trained to perform selfless acts in furtherance of one common goal—the preservation of freedom. It is a tradition I have longed to be a part of since I stowed away my Army fatigues fifteen years ago. Unfortunately, it is also one that has eluded me in my legal career to date.

I graduated from law school at a time when large firms and government agencies were slashing their respective workforces. Unable to feed my young family without a stable income, I was forced to hang a shingle and teach myself the finer points of lawyering without any partners, supervisors, or mentors to lean on. Nearly nine years later, I am proud to have served over 500 clients in a variety of legal disciplines. However, I’ve gone as far I can alone.

The Navy will renew my purpose as a lawyer. Working cohesively as a unit with JAG staff, I am excited with the prospect of protecting the rights of the warriors who defend our country, supporting our sailors and their families with crucial legal services, and providing command with timely, consistent, and sound advice, so they may continue to keep the homeland secure within the boundaries of the law.

Moreover, I hope to be afforded the privilege and opportunity to pass on my knowledge and skill set to a new generation of Navy Judge Advocates; mentoring them through their introduction to our esteemed profession and molding their abilities into fine-tuned tools of tradecraft. I will be honored to do for others what was never offered to me.

I am seeking a direct appointment as a U.S. Navy JAG Corp Officer because I want to utilize my unique gifts and life experiences to make a contribution to a team I can be proud of and for a mission greater than myself.


Well done with exactly 400 words -- Not sure I am ready, just yet to share mine given what an easy identifier it is. But, I think that's an exceptional statement, for what my opinion is worth. There are things you touched on in there that are unique experiences,no doubt, and some structure you implemented that I will definitely use should I end up reapplying and writing another statement in the future. I think I will consider sharing mine. But not sure exactly when yet, or what elements of it I will share yet.

I need to find a hobby - some way to make most of Feb. and all of March go by a little faster without Navy JAG on the brain. haha


Thank you. I appreciate it.

This thread was an invaluable resource for me. As you know, there just isn’t a lot of information pertaining to the nut and bolts of the full application process online. This thread was the exception. So, I just wanted to make my contribution for future applicants. I remember when S. Goodman, the creator of this thread, was accepted, he pulled the veil back a bit and gave a full commentary about the whole process. I merely wanted to play a part in doing the same. Maybe it will help another applicant realize their dream, too, even if I am not selected.

As far as waiting, I hear ya. It reminds me a lot of waiting for bar exam results. Nothing to do but stew. At least this time, I have my work to keep me busy most of the time. Although, in downtime I can’t help but keep checking back to this site, reading ODS blogs, and watching Navy videos. My wife told me the other day she is sick of listening to “that guy who screams, ‘what up fam’ in the annoying voice” every morning when I’m in the shower.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:32 pm

CJLaw09 wrote:
Dawg57 wrote:
CJLaw09 wrote:Now that the deadline has passed, does anyone want to share their motivational statement? There aren’t any examples from JAG applicants online. It was probably the part of the application I spent the most time on. So, posting ours could really help future applicants. I’ll start:

My civilian life revolves around being part of a team. As a father, a youth sports coach, and an avid community volunteer, the fortunes of young men and women depend on my ability to motivate, prepare, and teach them how to succeed. For me, accomplishing a shared goal with a group of people I care deeply for is far more gratifying than any victory I could enjoy as an individual.

The United States Navy is the nation’s foremost team. Built on the foundation that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, sailors and naval officers are trained to perform selfless acts in furtherance of one common goal—the preservation of freedom. It is a tradition I have longed to be a part of since I stowed away my Army fatigues fifteen years ago. Unfortunately, it is also one that has eluded me in my legal career to date.

I graduated from law school at a time when large firms and government agencies were slashing their respective workforces. Unable to feed my young family without a stable income, I was forced to hang a shingle and teach myself the finer points of lawyering without any partners, supervisors, or mentors to lean on. Nearly nine years later, I am proud to have served over 500 clients in a variety of legal disciplines. However, I’ve gone as far I can alone.

The Navy will renew my purpose as a lawyer. Working cohesively as a unit with JAG staff, I am excited with the prospect of protecting the rights of the warriors who defend our country, supporting our sailors and their families with crucial legal services, and providing command with timely, consistent, and sound advice, so they may continue to keep the homeland secure within the boundaries of the law.

Moreover, I hope to be afforded the privilege and opportunity to pass on my knowledge and skill set to a new generation of Navy Judge Advocates; mentoring them through their introduction to our esteemed profession and molding their abilities into fine-tuned tools of tradecraft. I will be honored to do for others what was never offered to me.

I am seeking a direct appointment as a U.S. Navy JAG Corp Officer because I want to utilize my unique gifts and life experiences to make a contribution to a team I can be proud of and for a mission greater than myself.


Well done with exactly 400 words -- Not sure I am ready, just yet to share mine given what an easy identifier it is. But, I think that's an exceptional statement, for what my opinion is worth. There are things you touched on in there that are unique experiences,no doubt, and some structure you implemented that I will definitely use should I end up reapplying and writing another statement in the future. I think I will consider sharing mine. But not sure exactly when yet, or what elements of it I will share yet.

I need to find a hobby - some way to make most of Feb. and all of March go by a little faster without Navy JAG on the brain. haha


Thank you. I appreciate it.

This thread was an invaluable resource for me. As you know, there just isn’t a lot of information pertaining to the nut and bolts of the full application process online. This thread was the exception. So, I just wanted to make my contribution for future applicants. I remember when S. Goodman, the creator of this thread, was accepted, he pulled the veil back a bit and gave a full commentary about the whole process. I merely wanted to play a part in doing the same. Maybe it will help another applicant realize their dream, too, even if I am not selected.

As far as waiting, I hear ya. It reminds me a lot of waiting for bar exam results. Nothing to do but stew. At least this time, I have my work to keep me busy most of the time. Although, in downtime I can’t help but keep checking back to this site, reading ODS blogs, and watching Navy videos. My wife told me the other day she is sick of listening to “that guy who screams, ‘what up fam’ in the annoying voice” every morning when I’m in the shower.



Haha yeah I will pull the veil back as much as I can, ehtically speaking, to at least equip future applicants to do theri best in prepping an application. Just want the time to be right. And want to get PR'd first, that would be ideal, lol.

Ok, so I am definitely almost sure I know which YTer you are talking about...haha "what up fam" lol -- my wife is the same way. I keep the amount of obsessive research I do pretty under wraps, but she still rolls her eyes watching it consume me.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Elle in Combat Boots » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:49 pm

Dawg57 wrote: Haha yeah I will pull the veil back as much as I can, ehtically speaking, to at least equip future applicants to do theri best in prepping an application. Just want the time to be right. And want to get PR'd first, that would be ideal, lol.


What part of the "veil" still needs to be pulled back? What about the application process is so mysterious, especially after all the information provided in this and the other Military Law threads? (I am truly curious)

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:53 am

Elle in Combat Boots wrote:
Dawg57 wrote: Haha yeah I will pull the veil back as much as I can, ehtically speaking, to at least equip future applicants to do theri best in prepping an application. Just want the time to be right. And want to get PR'd first, that would be ideal, lol.


What part of the "veil" still needs to be pulled back? What about the application process is so mysterious, especially after all the information provided in this and the other Military Law threads? (I am truly curious)


Yeah I’d say that was a bit dramatic. But one, I could synthesize plenty of info I’ve found- including much that is contained and two, I certainly learned some things from the CDR I interviewed with that was new or clarified info. But you do have a valid point

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:10 am

Changing topics, I have wondered for those currently commissioned or going through the process post-PR; what did you or have you secured for employment between graduating/taking the bar and shipping off to ODS and then MJS? Seems like that could be anywhere from a 3-6 month chunk where it would make sense to be working but hard to envision how a conversation would go asking someone to let you work for them/clerk knowing you are leaving around in fall for a month and then for good the end of the year. Or have some just worked normal full or part time jobs that aren’t JD related?

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby lawschoolgirl12345 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:04 pm

When are we going to hear results for spring board SP 2018? In April or in May?

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Elle in Combat Boots » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:21 pm

lawschoolgirl12345 wrote:When are we going to hear results for spring board SP 2018? In April or in May?


Approximately 10 weeks after the deadline, aka April.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby ak7ja » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Dawg57 wrote:
Elle in Combat Boots wrote:
Dawg57 wrote: Haha yeah I will pull the veil back as much as I can, ehtically speaking, to at least equip future applicants to do theri best in prepping an application. Just want the time to be right. And want to get PR'd first, that would be ideal, lol.


What part of the "veil" still needs to be pulled back? What about the application process is so mysterious, especially after all the information provided in this and the other Military Law threads? (I am truly curious)


Yeah I’d say that was a bit dramatic. But one, I could synthesize plenty of info I’ve found- including much that is contained and two, I certainly learned some things from the CDR I interviewed with that was new or clarified info. But you do have a valid point


Pretty much everything you need to know is available in the JAG Corp's Recruiting, Internship/Externship, Structured Interview, and Accessions Program's publicly available instruction in the Navy JAG Library (JAG/COMNAVLEGSVCCOM INSTRUCTION 1150.1D). Also, I know you didn't do this, but posting your entire personal statement/other identifiable information not only could throw off future applicants if you're not accepted, but also out you to any of the accessions folks that might look at the forum. Be careful not to be overly confident.

On the topic of personal statements...I think applicants have to be careful and talk less about how great you are or how being a JAG would help you meet your goals or whatever...but moreso about what you can bring to the JAG Corps/how you being a JAG would help the Navy. It can be a tricky needle to thread.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:42 pm

Yeah, this thread provides at least 2-3 years of data to show fairly consistent timetables of when to expect results. let the waiting continue for us... good luck to all those few lurkers and such still here that applied this board.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Dawg57 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:47 pm

ak7ja wrote:
Dawg57 wrote:
Elle in Combat Boots wrote:
Dawg57 wrote: Haha yeah I will pull the veil back as much as I can, ehtically speaking, to at least equip future applicants to do theri best in prepping an application. Just want the time to be right. And want to get PR'd first, that would be ideal, lol.


What part of the "veil" still needs to be pulled back? What about the application process is so mysterious, especially after all the information provided in this and the other Military Law threads? (I am truly curious)


Yeah I’d say that was a bit dramatic. But one, I could synthesize plenty of info I’ve found- including much that is contained and two, I certainly learned some things from the CDR I interviewed with that was new or clarified info. But you do have a valid point


Pretty much everything you need to know is available in the JAG Corp's Recruiting, Internship/Externship, Structured Interview, and Accessions Program's publicly available instruction in the Navy JAG Library (JAG/COMNAVLEGSVCCOM INSTRUCTION 1150.1D). Also, I know you didn't do this, but posting your entire personal statement/other identifiable information not only could throw off future applicants if you're not accepted, but also out you to any of the accessions folks that might look at the forum. Be careful not to be overly confident.

On the topic of personal statements...I think applicants have to be careful and talk less about how great you are or how being a JAG would help you meet your goals or whatever...but moreso about what you can bring to the JAG Corps/how you being a JAG would help the Navy. It can be a tricky needle to thread.


I agree - I dont know anything that cant be found elsewhere, the only way I might be of very limited value would be to summarize some info to folks here that I have compiled. And I also totally agree with giving any information about your application or anything you learn from the internal application process. For numerous reasons, the ones you list included, I figured giving details about my application or my personal statement just felt like a little ill-advised at this point or maybe any point in the future. Thus the reason for my hesitation.

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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program

Postby Elle in Combat Boots » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:36 pm

ak7ja wrote:Pretty much everything you need to know is available in the JAG Corp's Recruiting, Internship/Externship, Structured Interview, and Accessions Program's publicly available instruction in the Navy JAG Library (JAG/COMNAVLEGSVCCOM INSTRUCTION 1150.1D). Also, I know you didn't do this, but posting your entire personal statement/other identifiable information not only could throw off future applicants if you're not accepted, but also out you to any of the accessions folks that might look at the forum. Be careful not to be overly confident.

On the topic of personal statements...I think applicants have to be careful and talk less about how great you are or how being a JAG would help you meet your goals or whatever...but moreso about what you can bring to the JAG Corps/how you being a JAG would help the Navy. It can be a tricky needle to thread.


THIS. ak7ja's entire post is spot on.

Also, direct link to the referred to instruction (which was only recently posted on the JAG library website): http://www.jag.navy.mil/library/instruc ... 150.1D.pdf.




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