Approximate ranking percentile

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Bobnoxious
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Approximate ranking percentile

Postby Bobnoxious » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:53 pm

School has a mandatory curve of between a 2.7-2.8.
I just pulled a 3.4
Anyone have any idea about where that would likely put me in the rankings?
Top third?
Top quarter?
Top quintile?


Thanks

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby zugzwanger » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:55 pm

I remember finding this on a previous thread a while back:

http://mylsn.info/rank-estimator/

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby Bobnoxious » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:57 pm

Yeah, I've been there, thanks.

I don't have another data point, though.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby ScottRiqui » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:03 pm

Bobnoxious wrote:Yeah, I've been there, thanks.

I don't have another data point, though.


No way to tell, then. Has your school ever posted additional data about previous classes? A 75th percentile value, perhaps?

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby Bobnoxious » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:07 pm

Not that I've been able to find. It's Memphis, if anyone knows where I can find that information, I'd be grateful.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby BVest » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:39 pm

It seems like you'll have a second point of reference soon enough, but you won't need it.

13. CLASS RANKING
13.1 Full-Time Students
Full-time students will be ranked at the following intervals:
1st year: fall and spring semesters
. . .


13.2 Part-Time Students
Part-time students will be ranked at the following intervals with the
designated class:
1st year fall and spring semester with admission class


http://memphis.edu/law/currentstudents/ ... gs2013.pdf

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby helfer snooterbagon » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:26 am

Should be top half.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby History_Buff » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:36 pm

Possible it's top 15%.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby AReasonableMan » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:44 pm

I think a lot of those schools try to fail out a lot of people to keep the bar passage rates up so it's hard to guesstimate.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby arklaw13 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:48 pm

http://ualr.edu/law/academics/current-students/grades-and-class-rank/first-year-fall-2013/

Here's an example of a ranking where the median is between 3.0-3.1. There a 3.4 would put you in the top 20% or so. So if your curve is between 2.6-2.8 I would expect to be in the top 10%.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:16 pm

arklaw13 wrote:http://ualr.edu/law/academics/current-students/grades-and-class-rank/first-year-fall-2013/

Here's an example of a ranking where the median is between 3.0-3.1. There a 3.4 would put you in the top 20% or so. So if your curve is between 2.6-2.8 I would expect to be in the top 10%.


Unfortunately, a median by itself only tells you where the peak of the curve is; it doesn't tell you how wide or narrow the "fat" part of the curve is. You could have a school where the median is 3.0 and 3.4 is top 10%, and another school where median is 3.0 and 3.4 is only top 25%.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby arklaw13 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:24 pm

ScottRiqui wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:http://ualr.edu/law/academics/current-students/grades-and-class-rank/first-year-fall-2013/

Here's an example of a ranking where the median is between 3.0-3.1. There a 3.4 would put you in the top 20% or so. So if your curve is between 2.6-2.8 I would expect to be in the top 10%.


Unfortunately, a median by itself only tells you where the peak of the curve is; it doesn't tell you how wide or narrow the "fat" part of the curve is. You could have a school where the median is 3.0 and 3.4 is top 10%, and another school where median is 3.0 and 3.4 is only top 25%.


Well in that particular example they don't have a true curve. They have a mandatory mean. The profs can give out whatever they want as long as the mean falls within the mandatory range, which is between 2.9 and 3.1 if I remember right. So the distribution will probably more normal-looking than a lot of median-based curves one could come up with. Or I could suck at statistics.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:29 pm

arklaw13 wrote:
ScottRiqui wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:http://ualr.edu/law/academics/current-students/grades-and-class-rank/first-year-fall-2013/

Here's an example of a ranking where the median is between 3.0-3.1. There a 3.4 would put you in the top 20% or so. So if your curve is between 2.6-2.8 I would expect to be in the top 10%.


Unfortunately, a median by itself only tells you where the peak of the curve is; it doesn't tell you how wide or narrow the "fat" part of the curve is. You could have a school where the median is 3.0 and 3.4 is top 10%, and another school where median is 3.0 and 3.4 is only top 25%.


Well in that particular example they don't have a true curve. They have a mandatory mean. The profs can give out whatever they want as long as the mean falls within the mandatory range, which is between 2.9 and 3.1 if I remember right. So the distribution will probably more normal-looking than a lot of median-based curves one could come up with. Or I could suck at statistics.


That's a good point - if you only have a mandated median, then it doesn't have to be a "curve" at all. In that case, even if you did have two or more data points, it wouldn't help you predict percentiles anywhere away from those points.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby Bobnoxious » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:57 pm

Thanks, all.

I feel like an idjit now. Yeah, it's a mandatory mean, not a curve.

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Re: Approximate ranking percentile

Postby Bobnoxious » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:43 pm

Well, History_Buff damned near hit the nail on the head.

16th out of 117 w/ a 3.4

Just under the 14% mark.

Not bad for an old fart (48 years old). Not sure it'll do much for me in the way of paid summer gigs here in Memphis, though.

Now to fight off the feeling that there's absolutely no way in hell I can repeat the performance this spring.

Motivation is sorely lacking and the fatigue is debilitating.




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