After Grades - What did we learn?

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby Cavalier » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:40 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:My lesson: One class can tank the ship.

So tragically true. :evil:

I hate reading stuff like this since I'm still waiting for one grade.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby Dick Whitman » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:09 pm

eth3n wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:top 15% at T2 after first semester--killself? Dropout? Buckle down?

I think I aged about a decade waiting for grades to be released.

My lesson: One class can tank the ship.


I feel you on the one class part.

#1 - BASE YOUR DECISION ON YOUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL SITUATION
Are you paying sticker? Will you only accept biglaw? What will your debt be?
If you will be in huge amounts of debt, I think you know the answer cause almost every single post says that bigmoney jobs are very very hard to get ITE (assuming no special circumstances), especially from anything past T14 if you arent the shining star of your year.

Do the math, if it is economically unfeasible for you to continue if you can't get biglaw job, might be smart to cut your losses. Do not assume you will bring up the grades. If you have a scholly, or you will be in tiny debt/you have your own money, fuck it do what you want, if you can find a job THAT YOU ENJOY reasonably obtainable with top 1/3 of your school, go for it.

The biglaw hysteria is a money issue. Some people are paying out the nose for their education (150k+) and its value is dropping fast.


Big law as opposed to what? What options does the average law school dropout have that are better than those available to someone who graduated in the top 15% from a TT?

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby eth3n » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:02 pm

Point of my post was that he has to run his own info to figure out his situation. "economically unfeasible" (e.g. debt after 3 years + job prospects assuming no biglaw + get to be a lawyer VS debt after 1 semester + job prospects based on UG or other skills + don't get to be a lawyer)

Average law student doesn't get me very far. I have no idea what he did before law school. Hence why I said he should look at his own situation. Biglaw might not be realistic with 15% from T2(and im likely to be in a similar situation). He might be fresh from UG, he might have had a career before law school and he wanted to be a lawyer. Maybe I don't get what your asking. Im just saying base the decision on money, assuming he won't get biglaw.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby prezidentv8 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:06 pm

No grades yet, but I still don't know how to do law school.

What a strange, random system....I hope I guessed right first semester!

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby rbgrocio » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:19 pm

Bankhead wrote:
LoyolaLaw2012 wrote:I learned that the LSAT doesn't necessarily measure your success in law school.


+10



I knew this going into law school. In fact, after one semester some of the highest LSAT scores in my class have lost their scholarship and are suffering the pain of a 2.0 GPA.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:49 pm

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby 2009 Prospective » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 pm

eth3n wrote:Point of my post was that he has to run his own info to figure out his situation. "economically unfeasible" (e.g. debt after 3 years + job prospects assuming no biglaw + get to be a lawyer VS debt after 1 semester + job prospects based on UG or other skills + don't get to be a lawyer)

Average law student doesn't get me very far. I have no idea what he did before law school. Hence why I said he should look at his own situation. Biglaw might not be realistic with 15% from T2(and im likely to be in a similar situation). He might be fresh from UG, he might have had a career before law school and he wanted to be a lawyer. Maybe I don't get what your asking. Im just saying base the decision on money, assuming he won't get biglaw.


People are ridiculous on these boards sometimes. Top 15% should not warrant quitting on law school and is by no means average. Congrats on the good first semester.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby Mal » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:04 am

2009 Prospective wrote:
eth3n wrote:Point of my post was that he has to run his own info to figure out his situation. "economically unfeasible" (e.g. debt after 3 years + job prospects assuming no biglaw + get to be a lawyer VS debt after 1 semester + job prospects based on UG or other skills + don't get to be a lawyer)

Average law student doesn't get me very far. I have no idea what he did before law school. Hence why I said he should look at his own situation. Biglaw might not be realistic with 15% from T2(and im likely to be in a similar situation). He might be fresh from UG, he might have had a career before law school and he wanted to be a lawyer. Maybe I don't get what your asking. Im just saying base the decision on money, assuming he won't get biglaw.


People are ridiculous on these boards sometimes. Top 15% should not warrant quitting on law school and is by no means average. Congrats on the good first semester.


I think he meant average in the terms of work experience/prior life experience not how well they did in law school.

I agree about quitting while top15% after one semester. It seems to be a poorly thought out plan, what did you think was going to happen entering law school?

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby dresden doll » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:10 am

You shouldn't even go to LS where you can't afford to finish at median, let alone top 15 percent. That's just borderline insanity.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby traydeuce » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:13 am

I'm sure there's at least some correlation between LSATs and grades. I'm just one data point but I'm way on the high end of W&L's LSAT range (174) and now I have a 4.0, in spite of having a 2.72 UGPA and not really having even studied for half of these exams. Granted I probably got lucky with some of my professors; it seemed like every class I had I had the easier professor out of the two or three or six teaching that class. But honestly, if you're not that sharp analytically, which is what the LSAT at least professes to measure, you could study and study and you're still not going to do so well on a law school exam.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby flhealth » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:17 am

rbgrocio wrote:
Bankhead wrote:
LoyolaLaw2012 wrote:I learned that the LSAT doesn't necessarily measure your success in law school.


+10



I knew this going into law school. In fact, after one semester some of the highest LSAT scores in my class have lost their scholarship and are suffering the pain of a 2.0 GPA.

PM me who you're talking about...

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby 2009 Prospective » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:44 am

Staying away from TLS most of the semester seemed to help a lot. Also, I didn't rely too heavily on supplements unless I needed to clarify a point here or there. Despite what others have said, doing the reading and listening carefully to the prof in class was more useful for me. This semester I'm going to outline earlier and try not to blow a good start.

P.S. Conan just said his last official episode is tomorrow night. I hope Coco shoves it to NBC since his termination agreement says he can't bad mouth them once the show is over.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby 98234872348 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:56 am

dresden doll wrote:You shouldn't even go to LS where you can't afford to finish at median, let alone top 15 percent. That's just borderline insanity.

Seriously.

"omfg dude I finished top 15% should I drop out?!"

If this is your mantra you should have never even contemplated attending your current school.

hth.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby JPeavy44 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:03 am

I learned that Glannon's E&E + Mike Shecket's site = civ pro gold.

I had my hardest teacher for this class and I attribute my A- in civ pro to them.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby eth3n » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:23 am

Mal wrote:
2009 Prospective wrote:
eth3n wrote:Point of my post was that he has to run his own info to figure out his situation. "economically unfeasible" (e.g. debt after 3 years + job prospects assuming no biglaw + get to be a lawyer VS debt after 1 semester + job prospects based on UG or other skills + don't get to be a lawyer)

Average law student doesn't get me very far. I have no idea what he did before law school. Hence why I said he should look at his own situation. Biglaw might not be realistic with 15% from T2(and im likely to be in a similar situation). He might be fresh from UG, he might have had a career before law school and he wanted to be a lawyer. Maybe I don't get what your asking. Im just saying base the decision on money, assuming he won't get biglaw.


People are ridiculous on these boards sometimes. Top 15% should not warrant quitting on law school and is by no means average. Congrats on the good first semester.


I think he meant average in the terms of work experience/prior life experience not how well they did in law school.


You are correct sir, I didnt quote the guy who was giving me crap, I understand your misconception.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:34 am

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby pithypike » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:37 am

sayan wrote:
pithypike wrote:1. No word limit >>>> word limit.

2. The more supplements the better.


Hey pithy, will you ever consider making a 1L guide as good as your legendary LSAT guide? :D


see Arrow.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby seespotrun » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:26 pm

What I learned:

1) The TLS notion that hard work =/= good grades is overstated and relative to different perceptions of hard work.
2) Humility is a virtue.
3) There are many ways to skin a cat.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:29 pm

pithypike wrote:
sayan wrote:
pithypike wrote:1. No word limit >>>> word limit.

2. The more supplements the better.


Hey pithy, will you ever consider making a 1L guide as good as your legendary LSAT guide? :D


see Arrow.


This.

Other things I learned:

Our perceptions of ourselves can limit us if we let them. I spent this semester (really the past couple of years) being so relentlessly cruel to myself that if I had done it to anyone else I would be justifiably reviled.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. I can count at least nine other people who were instrumental in just getting me through this semester. I would not have even been able to take my finals absent the kind aid of other students.

Good numbers =/= happiness in life. I think this was the big one.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby mac.empress » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:49 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
pithypike wrote:
sayan wrote:
pithypike wrote:1. No word limit >>>> word limit.

2. The more supplements the better.


Hey pithy, will you ever consider making a 1L guide as good as your legendary LSAT guide? :D


see Arrow.


This.

Other things I learned:

Our perceptions of ourselves can limit us if we let them. I spent this semester (really the past couple of years) being so relentlessly cruel to myself that if I had done it to anyone else I would be justifiably reviled.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. I can count at least nine other people who were instrumental in just getting me through this semester. I would not have even been able to take my finals absent the kind aid of other students.

Good numbers =/= happiness in life. I think this was the big one.


I'm agreeing with you all over the place, OS.

It's taken me a while to get there too. To step away from the b.s. and the lies.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:03 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:Good numbers =/= happiness in life. I think this was the big one.

+1,000

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

Postby rayiner » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:16 pm

dood wrote:Grade inversely proportion to how much I studied for the final. Theory: I over-studied, only confusing myself. Better not to over-think a problem.

1st final - finished outlining 3 weeks before the final, 2 full weeks of studying, memorized black letter law, took ~10 practice exams: lowest grade
2nd final - made outline and had about 1 week of studying, memorized black letter law, took 4 practice exams: 2nd lowest grade
3rd final - 3 days of studying, finished outline 2 days before final: 2nd highest grade
4th final - finished outline about a week prior to final, 1 day of intense studying, was burned out and tired: highest grade

This semester I will only do a couple practice tests, and stick to one supplement per subject.


Better theory: you studied more for the subjects you found the most difficult.

I studied about 2x-3x as much for some of my exams as for others, and got essentially the same grades on all of them. I attribute this simply to the fact that a couple of my classes came a lot more naturally to me than the others.

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

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Re: After Grades - What did we learn?

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