Class to read ahead in Forum

(Study Tips, Dealing With Stress, Maintaining a Social Life, Financial Aid, Internships, Bar Exam, Careers in Law . . . )
User avatar
KD35

Silver
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:30 am

Class to read ahead in

Post by KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:41 pm

(I know this sounds gunnerish)
Got some feedback last semester on which of my classes would be good to work ahead on, and trying to figure out which of the following classes people would recommend I work ahead on (Working based on the advice by Ken in his Success in Law School post where he says to work ahead in one of your classes):

Crim
ConLaw
Property

User avatar
3|ink

Platinum
Posts: 7393
Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by 3|ink » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:11 pm

This isn't just gunnerish. It's dumb.

User avatar
KD35

Silver
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:30 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm

http://www.top-law-schools.com/success- ... chool.html

Thanks for the extremely helpful feedback you provided.

User avatar
thesealocust

Platinum
Posts: 8525
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:50 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by thesealocust » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:02 pm

Gunner.

User avatar
sap

Bronze
Posts: 270
Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:16 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by sap » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:02 pm

First, I wouldn't read ahead in classes in general, but if you want to, I'd do it in Crim first, then ConLaw, then Property not at all. Property is fairly different from the caselaw stuff. It's more like CivPro than torts, but even rulesier than CivPro. A lot of it is about rote classification, and while it's definitely doable to teach yourself that stuff correctly, it's also possible to get in the habit of classifying things incorrectly, which would be very bad.

I'd read Crim first because most people find it confusing, but it's fairly linear - there aren't a lot of doctrinal shifts that make one test basically completely useless. In ConLaw, there are phases where the Court does one thing, and then about 50 years later, it does the opposite thing, and this isn't just true for one or two doctrines - it's prettymuch every aspect of ConLaw that has this kind of switch. If you read Crim, you won't confuse yourself with which is the right test for which era as much, since there just isn't that much there. The tests get refined or expanded, but usually not fundamentally reversed. There is also a lot of value to really knowing the details - very small shifts in the facts can get vastly different results under exactly the same tests (like Tyson/Edmunds, which are about whether you are allowed to execute people for murders not committed by them that occurred during a crime they were involved in). So getting really familiar with the facts of cases could be fairly helpful.

Want to continue reading?

Register now to search topics and post comments!

Absolutely FREE!


Mal Reynolds

Diamond
Posts: 12612
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:16 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Mal Reynolds » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:41 pm

I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

User avatar
Bildungsroman

Platinum
Posts: 5529
Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:42 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Bildungsroman » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:51 pm

What benefit does reading ahead offer?

User avatar
KD35

Silver
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:30 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:29 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.
Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.

09042014

Diamond
Posts: 18203
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:34 pm

KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.
Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.
I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.

Want to continue reading?

Register for access!

Did I mention it was FREE ?


Mal Reynolds

Diamond
Posts: 12612
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:16 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Mal Reynolds » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:35 pm

I don't understand how you can be this clueless about how to spend your time after an entire semester of law school.

09042014

Diamond
Posts: 18203
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:39 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you can be this clueless about how to spend your time after an entire semester of law school.
lol some people started outlining the weekend after new years in my school.

User avatar
thesealocust

Platinum
Posts: 8525
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:50 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by thesealocust » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:40 pm

DOG PILE!

User avatar
sap

Bronze
Posts: 270
Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:16 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by sap » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:57 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.
Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.
I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.
This. Supplements are long.

Register now!

Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.

It's still FREE!


User avatar
BluePurgatory

New
Posts: 49
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:43 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by BluePurgatory » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:22 pm

All of them. If you haven't worked through at least one supplement and half a hornbook by february then have fun below median.

User avatar
Stringer6

Platinum
Posts: 5919
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:45 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Stringer6 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:25 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.
Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.
I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.
Revelation: read only the stuff your professor teaches

09042014

Diamond
Posts: 18203
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Stringer6 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.
Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.
I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.
Revelation: read only the stuff your professor teaches
I guess I assumed he didn't have a syllabus yet, but that's not necessarily true.

User avatar
OutCold

Bronze
Posts: 482
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:57 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by OutCold » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:07 pm

As the others have said, it's pretty pointless to try to get ahead over the break. If you absolutely can't contain yourself, a better solution is to get your hands on good outlines from last year for as many of the classes as you can. Hell, you don't even need to read anything else the entire semester if you find the right ones. Read those if you have to read something... At least you'll learn exactly what will be taught down to the gritty details. Professors never change their schtick from year to year in 1L classes. That right there is the best use of your time.

Get unlimited access to all forums and topics

Register now!

I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...


NotMyRealName09

Silver
Posts: 1396
Joined: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:50 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by NotMyRealName09 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:14 pm

Reading ahead is dumb. You want the material to be FRESH in your head when you cover it in class, like "I read this last night or today" fresh. You're working harder but not smarter. You have plenty to read within the class schedule, conserve your energy.

And for christ's sake, don't work over winter break. Recuperate, re-energize. Work when you go back.

eerie_erie

Bronze
Posts: 174
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:05 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by eerie_erie » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:17 am

Okay, I'll bite because I've got the "answer the question and then say 'but'" strategy ingrained in me. ConLaw, because I find that reading cases more than once is helpful for me. Likely certain cases will repeat across casebooks.

Read, but only do it if you want to. I honestly would spend time on YouTube looking up cat videos.

apollo2015

Bronze
Posts: 359
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:13 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by apollo2015 » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:14 am

It depends on how your professor teaches, how clear the casebook/syllabus is about what you should read and focus on, and whether your professor does the cold-call system or if he tells you ahead of time when you're going to be on call. If there are cold-calls, then reading closer to the time that the class occurs is preferable.

I read ahead in Con Law and in Property.

nebula666

Silver
Posts: 778
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:19 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by nebula666 » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:37 pm

please enjoy your break. you are stressing me out with your ridiculousness.

Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.

Register now, it's still FREE!


User avatar
Black Hat

Bronze
Posts: 222
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:56 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Black Hat » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:33 am

3|ink wrote:This isn't just gunnerish. It's dumb.
Agreed. If you are 30-40 pages ahead the information that you are going over today you may have read a week ago. Not only is it not as fresh in your head but you may have misunderstood what exactly you were supposed to take away from the assignment in general.

Don't do it.

User avatar
brotherdarkness

Gold
Posts: 3252
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:11 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by brotherdarkness » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:54 am

.
Last edited by brotherdarkness on Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:37 am, edited 2 times in total.

Hutz_and_Goodman

Gold
Posts: 1650
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:42 am

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Hutz_and_Goodman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:56 am

Do not read ahead. It's a waste of time. Keep up to date with reading during the semester, work on outlines, do practice problems, and ask profs during office hours if you have questions.

User avatar
Nova

Platinum
Posts: 9102
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:55 pm

Re: Class to read ahead in

Post by Nova » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:04 am

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:Do not read ahead. It's a waste of time.
Meh. Everyone's different. I finished reading for property by the end of February and never prepped for class. I bet I spent less total time on the subject than most of my classmates.

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!


Post Reply

Return to “Forum for Law School Students”