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Class to read ahead in

Postby KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:41 pm

(I know this sounds gunnerish)
Got some feedback last semester on which of my classes would be good to work ahead on, and trying to figure out which of the following classes people would recommend I work ahead on (Working based on the advice by Ken in his Success in Law School post where he says to work ahead in one of your classes):

Crim
ConLaw
Property

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby 3|ink » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:11 pm

This isn't just gunnerish. It's dumb.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm

http://www.top-law-schools.com/success- ... chool.html

Thanks for the extremely helpful feedback you provided.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby thesealocust » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:02 pm

Gunner.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby sap » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:02 pm

First, I wouldn't read ahead in classes in general, but if you want to, I'd do it in Crim first, then ConLaw, then Property not at all. Property is fairly different from the caselaw stuff. It's more like CivPro than torts, but even rulesier than CivPro. A lot of it is about rote classification, and while it's definitely doable to teach yourself that stuff correctly, it's also possible to get in the habit of classifying things incorrectly, which would be very bad.

I'd read Crim first because most people find it confusing, but it's fairly linear - there aren't a lot of doctrinal shifts that make one test basically completely useless. In ConLaw, there are phases where the Court does one thing, and then about 50 years later, it does the opposite thing, and this isn't just true for one or two doctrines - it's prettymuch every aspect of ConLaw that has this kind of switch. If you read Crim, you won't confuse yourself with which is the right test for which era as much, since there just isn't that much there. The tests get refined or expanded, but usually not fundamentally reversed. There is also a lot of value to really knowing the details - very small shifts in the facts can get vastly different results under exactly the same tests (like Tyson/Edmunds, which are about whether you are allowed to execute people for murders not committed by them that occurred during a crime they were involved in). So getting really familiar with the facts of cases could be fairly helpful.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Mal Reynolds » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:41 pm

I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Bildungsroman » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:51 pm

What benefit does reading ahead offer?

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby KD35 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:29 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:34 pm

KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.


I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Mal Reynolds » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:35 pm

I don't understand how you can be this clueless about how to spend your time after an entire semester of law school.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:39 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you can be this clueless about how to spend your time after an entire semester of law school.


lol some people started outlining the weekend after new years in my school.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby thesealocust » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:40 pm

DOG PILE!

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby sap » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:57 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.


I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.


This. Supplements are long.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby BluePurgatory » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:22 pm

All of them. If you haven't worked through at least one supplement and half a hornbook by february then have fun below median.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Stringer6 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:25 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.


I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.

Revelation: read only the stuff your professor teaches

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby 09042014 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Stringer6 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
KD35 wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I don't understand how you've finished an entire semester of law school and haven't figured out how worthless reading cases is.

Shouldve clarified, read ahead in supplements.


I don't get how supplements are even helpful. They always include way too much shit that your prof doesn't teach. Prepping with supps sounds even dumber to me than reading ahead.

Revelation: read only the stuff your professor teaches


I guess I assumed he didn't have a syllabus yet, but that's not necessarily true.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby OutCold » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:07 pm

As the others have said, it's pretty pointless to try to get ahead over the break. If you absolutely can't contain yourself, a better solution is to get your hands on good outlines from last year for as many of the classes as you can. Hell, you don't even need to read anything else the entire semester if you find the right ones. Read those if you have to read something... At least you'll learn exactly what will be taught down to the gritty details. Professors never change their schtick from year to year in 1L classes. That right there is the best use of your time.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby NotMyRealName09 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:14 pm

Reading ahead is dumb. You want the material to be FRESH in your head when you cover it in class, like "I read this last night or today" fresh. You're working harder but not smarter. You have plenty to read within the class schedule, conserve your energy.

And for christ's sake, don't work over winter break. Recuperate, re-energize. Work when you go back.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby eerie_erie » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:17 am

Okay, I'll bite because I've got the "answer the question and then say 'but'" strategy ingrained in me. ConLaw, because I find that reading cases more than once is helpful for me. Likely certain cases will repeat across casebooks.

Read, but only do it if you want to. I honestly would spend time on YouTube looking up cat videos.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby apollo2015 » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:14 am

It depends on how your professor teaches, how clear the casebook/syllabus is about what you should read and focus on, and whether your professor does the cold-call system or if he tells you ahead of time when you're going to be on call. If there are cold-calls, then reading closer to the time that the class occurs is preferable.

I read ahead in Con Law and in Property.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby nebula666 » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:37 pm

please enjoy your break. you are stressing me out with your ridiculousness.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Black Hat » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:33 am

3|ink wrote:This isn't just gunnerish. It's dumb.


Agreed. If you are 30-40 pages ahead the information that you are going over today you may have read a week ago. Not only is it not as fresh in your head but you may have misunderstood what exactly you were supposed to take away from the assignment in general.

Don't do it.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby brotherdarkness » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:56 am

Do not read ahead. It's a waste of time. Keep up to date with reading during the semester, work on outlines, do practice problems, and ask profs during office hours if you have questions.

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Re: Class to read ahead in

Postby Nova » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:04 am

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:Do not read ahead. It's a waste of time.

Meh. Everyone's different. I finished reading for property by the end of February and never prepped for class. I bet I spent less total time on the subject than most of my classmates.




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