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Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:39 am
by ThreeRivers
In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:48 am
by Void
ThreeRivers wrote:In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating


Does it look bad to whom? If you mean employers, it probably depends upon the employer. If you mean the bar examiners, nah.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:50 am
by ThreeRivers
Void wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating


Does it look bad to whom? If you mean employers, it probably depends upon the employer. If you mean the bar examiners, nah.

1 "w" would look bad for an employer? I figured 1 "w" wouldn't even warrant a question...

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:55 am
by Void
ThreeRivers wrote:
Void wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating


Does it look bad to whom? If you mean employers, it probably depends upon the employer. If you mean the bar examiners, nah.

1 "w" would look bad for an employer? I figured 1 "w" wouldn't even warrant a question...


Um, yes. I had interviews where I was asked "what happened here?" for a B+. A withdrawal can definitely stand out to employers as a flag on your transcript.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:01 pm
by brotherdarkness
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Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:34 pm
by Myself
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Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:51 pm
by odoylerulez
It looks bad, but not nearly as bad as a failing grade.

Avoid withdrawal if you can. It won't completely ruin your job prospects, but it will sting. On the other hand, one failing grade in law school can (and probably will) ruin you, at least for your prospects right out of school.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:42 pm
by Gorki
ThreeRivers wrote:
Void wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating


Does it look bad to whom? If you mean employers, it probably depends upon the employer. If you mean the bar examiners, nah.

1 "w" would look bad for an employer? I figured 1 "w" wouldn't even warrant a question...


Its pretty bad. Considering most of the class will get a B (or B+), the fact you took a "W" means either: (a) compelling personal purpose, which you can corroborate with the school to support, or (b) major fuck up that woulda doomed you.

That said. Is a "W" better than an "F"--well shit, yes. If the prof is not cooperating you may be best taking the dubs.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:58 pm
by RedGiant
Void wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:In law school.... Messed up a class / didn't turn in a big paper, professor seems to not be cooperating


Does it look bad to whom? If you mean employers, it probably depends upon the employer. If you mean the bar examiners, nah.


Talk to your dean or a third party who might be able to help work something out. Barring that, take the grade and have a really good story (lie) about your grandma dying, best friend getting cancer, contracting mono or something else so that you can explain it away. Wipe hands.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:47 am
by Dogg
brotherdarkness wrote:I was third in my class after my 1L year and had multiple employers ask why I wasn't number one.


oh ..... ?

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:03 am
by Danger Zone
Dogg wrote:
brotherdarkness wrote:I was third in my class after my 1L year and had multiple employers ask why I wasn't number one.


oh ..... ?

This really happens in biglaw interviews. And, if you get this question, don't assume they just made a joke, because sometimes they're dead serious. Awkward.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:41 am
by WHJTMG178
What If OP already has a 2L SA?

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:02 am
by 09042014
People in this thread seem to be wildly speculating. I'd imagine W is better than a C or worse. Way better than a F. And with the right bullshitting it's probably even better than a B/B- depending on your schools scale.

Just say you didn't want to take the class anymore and missed the drop date. That's not even lying.

And I doubt you'll get too many questions about it anyway. Someone might ask but you just have to have a confident, intelligent answer.

When firms ask stupid questions like why aren't you first instead of third, that doesn't mean that being third killed your chances already. They are just seeing what your answer is.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:07 am
by WHJTMG178
But what is a good answer for why you are number three instead of number one? I got a similar question (class rank wasn't quite as good, still top 5%) and struggled to come up with a good answer.

Re: Does a Withdrawal look bad?

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:10 am
by 09042014
WHJTMG178 wrote:But what is a good answer for why you are number three instead of number one? I got a similar question (class rank wasn't quite as good, still top 5%) and struggled to come up with a good answer.


Who knows, it's such a stupid question, it's impossible to know what the person asking it wants to hear. I think a safe bet would be to describe a class where you didn't get an clean A/A+ and explain why you think you didn't get it.

An accurate answer would be "we don't all take the same tests, ranking us together is ridiculous and lacks statistical rigor. What was your GPA brah?"