Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

(Study Tips, Dealing With Stress, Maintaining a Social Life, Financial Aid, Internships, Bar Exam, Careers in Law . . . )
memo2partner
Posts: 96
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:38 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby memo2partner » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:01 pm

What about a temp agency? Doesn't doc review pay $20+ an hour?

09042014
Posts: 18282
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:03 pm

This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.

User avatar
Bronx Bum
Posts: 474
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:02 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Bronx Bum » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:05 pm

memo2partner wrote:What about a temp agency? Doesn't doc review pay $20+ an hour?


Very hard to get doc review I think if you're not licensed.

User avatar
Moves like JAGger
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:18 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Moves like JAGger » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:26 pm

Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.

09042014
Posts: 18282
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:35 pm

Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.


That's pretty expensive for train rides.

User avatar
Bronx Bum
Posts: 474
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:02 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Bronx Bum » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:36 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.


That's pretty expensive for train rides.


If he's commuting from Port Jervis or Putham/westchester, that's about right.

User avatar
Moves like JAGger
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:18 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Moves like JAGger » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:37 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.


That's pretty expensive for train rides.



400 if I purchase a monthly pass. I think I'd rather park box trucks.

09042014
Posts: 18282
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:37 pm

Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.


That's pretty expensive for train rides.



400 if I purchase a monthly pass. I think I'd rather park box trucks.


I would too.

User avatar
BarbellDreams
Posts: 2256
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:10 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby BarbellDreams » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:16 pm

The firm I used to work at started a new associate at 25K and no benefits last year. He left about 2 weeks later. Granted this was nowhere close to NYC COL but still, I can make slightly more than 25K/year working at wholefoods with a high school degree full time...AND I'd have benefits.

Simple supply demand though. When you can post an ad for 35K and get 100 resumes whats to stop you from posting an ad for 30K and get 50 resumes or an ad for 25K and get 20 resumes. I'm sure one of those 20 will work out and I'd save 10K as an employer.

User avatar
Bikeflip
Posts: 1833
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:01 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Bikeflip » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:30 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:The firm I used to work at started a new associate at 25K and no benefits last year. He left about 2 weeks later. Granted this was nowhere close to NYC COL but still, I can make slightly more than 25K/year working at wholefoods with a high school degree full time...AND I'd have benefits.

Simple supply demand though. When you can post an ad for 35K and get 100 resumes whats to stop you from posting an ad for 30K and get 50 resumes or an ad for 25K and get 20 resumes. I'm sure one of those 20 will work out and I'd save 10K as an employer.



And all the while the partner scolds the associate for looking a gift horse in the mouth.

User avatar
LAWYER2
Posts: 576
Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:15 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby LAWYER2 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:19 pm

This is insane. I made more than that as a law clerk. I haven't read the whole thread but the only way I'd take that job is if:

I needed the practicing experience before hanging my own shingle
I was being WELL trained (I'm talking baby steps and training wheels)
MY monthly expenses were virtually non-existent
The job afforded AWESOME networking opportunities
You get to eat what you kill w/r to new clients, (I'd be hungry, and hit the streets rolling)

Other than that, I would send my resume out nationwide and not focus on one geographical area unless you need to. Attorney's can be greedy @ssholes who tend to forget they were in a similar situation at one point.

I seen a post from a practicing attorney in a Facebook group for our school alum basically wanting to know how to find more "interns" to not pay and do tons of work for her. What a fricken douche!

Know your worth!

Void
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:56 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Void » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:15 pm

My school symplicity recently posted an entry level associate position at a small midtown manhattan firm for "$30-39k". I wondered how common this was, because it struck me as insane- how do you survive on that income in a neighborhood where a sandwich costs $15?

I don't at all subscribe to the idea that you should only accept salaries that make law school a "sound investment." Yeah, I could make more money doing X, but I don't want to do X- I want to be a lawyer. I like to think that if I can at least sustain myself while working as a lawyer, I'll be alright. But I don't think I could sustain myself in Manhattan for that kind of salary. I'd definitely go with U-Haul and wait for JAG

Edit: hell, I may as well out the firm from symplicity- they obviously have no problem posting a $30k midtown manhattan attorney position on my school's employment board, so I assume they won't mind if I post it here for the whole world to see:

Position:
Associate Attorney

Employer:
Winston & Winston, P.C.
295 Madison Avenue
Suite 930
New York, NY
10017 United States

Description:
Five attorney Madison Avenue/ Grand Central Law firm seeking to hire a recent law graduate for a full time position. Motion practice, commercial litigation, and replevin experience preferred. Learn to become practice ready. Computer aptitude and familiarity with Word press or equivalent is a strong plus. Marketing skills, ability to develop business and perform marketing a strong plus.

irish017
Posts: 111
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:19 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby irish017 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:37 am

This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.

rad lulz
Posts: 9844
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:53 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby rad lulz » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:43 am

irish017 wrote:This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.

Because there are jobs there

irish017
Posts: 111
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:19 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby irish017 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:47 am

rad lulz wrote:
irish017 wrote:This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.

Because there are jobs there

There are jobs in other places too...I'm talking about the NYC tunnel vision.

User avatar
haus
Posts: 2846
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:07 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby haus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:08 pm

rad lulz wrote:
irish017 wrote:This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.

Because there are jobs there

Many of which barely qualify as jobs.

User avatar
NYC2012
Posts: 224
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:47 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby NYC2012 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:13 pm

irish017 wrote:This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.


THANK YOU. New York is a shithole, and I'm so glad I have had the chance to experience life here so I know to never come back after law school!

User avatar
haus
Posts: 2846
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:07 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby haus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:27 pm

NYC2012 wrote:
irish017 wrote:This is one of the millions of threads on here where you just wonder why on earth anyone would want to live in Manhattan/NYC area.


THANK YOU. New York is a shithole, and I'm so glad I have had the chance to experience life here so I know to never come back after law school!

I was originally holding out hope that the OP was refering to Manhattan, Kansas.

timbs4339
Posts: 2733
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:19 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby timbs4339 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:59 pm

It seems low. My friends working in shitlaw are usually getting about 50K. But I have no doubt they can find someone to work for 35K right now- there are like 10 shitty schools in the area churning out graduates.

If you don't have to live in the city (you might find a decent roommate situation for $1000-1250 a month), have nothing else on the table, and have a guaranteed position starting in the future, then take the job. While I was studying for the bar and before I started my "real job" I did contract work for a small firm at $40 an hour, a great rate, but the hours themselves came in spurts. Some months it was 70 or 80, other times it was 20. The unpredictability was annoying, I would have rather drawn a salary.

Gorki
Posts: 772
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:41 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Gorki » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:51 pm

timbs4339 wrote:It seems low. My friends working in shitlaw are usually getting about 50K. But I have no doubt they can find someone to work for 35K right now- there are like 10 shitty schools in the area churning out graduates.

If you don't have to live in the city (you might find a decent roommate situation for $1000-1250 a month), have nothing else on the table, and have a guaranteed position starting in the future, then take the job. While I was studying for the bar and before I started my "real job" I did contract work for a small firm at $40 an hour, a great rate, but the hours themselves came in spurts. Some months it was 70 or 80, other times it was 20. The unpredictability was annoying, I would have rather drawn a salary.


This so much. In many ways working for those smaller firms is like selling homes or cars in Smalltown, USA... You can be super busy one week and knock down bank, and then sit around 2 weeks nervously wondering if any revenue will come about.

There is a reason why so many solos wash out. It is totally all about your biz management abilities. If you cannot fathom the reality you could potentially go 6 months w/o positive cash flow, seriously consider mass mailing ALL corporate drone jobs in the city you are in. fuck the legal profession if all u can get is this risky crap.

Korematsu
Posts: 9
Joined: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:11 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Korematsu » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:08 pm

You could practice law out of a Dunkin Donuts or Panera Bread in West Virginia and make more than that.

Maybe the OP could apply for government assistance. Check the income thresholds for the cornucopia of goodies out there.

And/Or tell this potential employer to go &$#@ him/herself. If people stop taking jobs at these paltry wages they will have to increase them.
Last edited by Korematsu on Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
hephaestus
Posts: 2385
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby hephaestus » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:13 pm

Korematsu wrote:You could practice law out of a Dunkin Donuts or Panera Bread in West Virginia and make more than that.

True story. WV is always highly ranked on the "Judicial Hellholes" profiles, and have a reputation for an extremely plaintiff friendly judiciary.

User avatar
newyorker88
Posts: 614
Joined: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:32 pm

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby newyorker88 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:25 pm

Moves like JAGger wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:This is only temporary til you do jag? I'd take it, have fun slumming it in New Jersey, and stop worrying.



Correct. I'm actually moving in w/ my fiance's parents to save money for our wedding. About 2hrs north of NYC by train. It would cost me like 450 bucks/month to commute every day. They've given me the possibility of working from home, which is cool... but they'd want me to split my time between home and office.

I have an interview with a local U-haul store for a "management trainee" position which pays 16/hr -- with the possibility of overtime.

I'm extremely fortunate that this firm is not my only option.


I don't know where you live but you might want to look in to the metro north.

Void
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:56 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby Void » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:40 pm

.

KCMax
Posts: 1
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:06 am

Re: Is 30k a good salary for a law grad?

Postby KCMax » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:10 am

No, it is not good. I finished in the bottom third of my class at a third tier school and made $38k out of school - ten years ago.

OTOH, my salary only inched along over time. If you think you can make more pretty quickly, or slumming it for a year or two will land you a much better paying job, than I suppose its worth it.




Return to “Forum for Law School Students”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests