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NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby mness » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:08 pm

Has anyone done any of the three they have on the website? If so, how'd you do? I got 81/100 on one of them, which would be great on the real MBE, but I think these are easier than the current MBE questions.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby kaiser » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:19 pm

And what exactly would be their incentive for putting out an unrepresentative set of questions that are too easy?

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby I.P. Daly » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:28 pm

kaiser wrote:And what exactly would be their incentive for putting out an unrepresentative set of questions that are too easy?


I've heard from multiple bar takers that the released questions are easier.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Glock » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:01 pm

I.P. Daly wrote:
kaiser wrote:And what exactly would be their incentive for putting out an unrepresentative set of questions that are too easy?


I've heard from multiple bar takers that the released questions are easier.



Are you talking about 'released' questions they give to the public or the practice exams they sell? I've heard twice now that the practice exams are supposed to be representative.

I have trouble believing it though, because they felt a lot like BarBri MPQ2 sets 1-7 in ease.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby kaiser » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:03 pm

I.P. Daly wrote:
kaiser wrote:And what exactly would be their incentive for putting out an unrepresentative set of questions that are too easy?


I've heard from multiple bar takers that the released questions are easier.


Same question as post above me. Are we talking the released Q's that they submit to BarBri, and release generally (i.e. very old questions)? Or the question sets from recent tests they NCBE themselves say are supposed to be relatively representative?

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby kaiser » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:08 pm

From NCBE regarding those 100 Q tests they sell for $50 a piece:


"The material presented in the MBE-OPE is very similar in content representation and format to the Multistate Bar Examination (MBE), and is intended to familiarize candidates with MBE-style questions"

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby 09042014 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:15 pm

Even if they are easier, the scaled score should stay the same. That is why they scale it.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Old Gregg » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:16 pm

1) Even though the questions are "easier," the tighter conversation from raw to scaled score in your score report represents that. Therefore, you should rely on your scaled score performance on the NCBE exams.

2) I'm skeptical of people who say the Qs are genuinely easier. First, things seem a lot more difficult than they are on test day. Second, people actually tend to score fairly closely to their NCBE score on the real thing.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby 09042014 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:17 pm

Anyone wanna report their raw and scaled scores for the 2nd and 3rd test. I have copies but no conversion chart. I wanna backwards engineer one.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby kaiser » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Anyone wanna report their raw and scaled scores for the 2nd and 3rd test. I have copies but no conversion chart. I wanna backwards engineer one.


Test 2: 77/100 - 159 scaled
Test 3: 87/100 - 176 scaled

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby ragelion » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:29 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Even if they are easier, the scaled score should stay the same. That is why they scale it.

I think I got the exact same on both.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Bronx Bum » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:31 pm

kaiser wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Anyone wanna report their raw and scaled scores for the 2nd and 3rd test. I have copies but no conversion chart. I wanna backwards engineer one.


Test 2: 77/100 - 159 scaled
Test 3: 87/100 - 176 scaled


U got a fuckin 87/100? Wtf?

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby mness » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:38 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:
kaiser wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Anyone wanna report their raw and scaled scores for the 2nd and 3rd test. I have copies but no conversion chart. I wanna backwards engineer one.


Test 2: 77/100 - 159 scaled
Test 3: 87/100 - 176 scaled


U got a fuckin 87/100? Wtf?


Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Old Gregg » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:40 pm

Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled


If you got an actual 162 raw on the test (81*2), your scaled score would be a lot higher. That's the meaning of the scaled score. You *will* get a more wrong on the actual test, but I wouldn't be surprised if your scaled score wasn't significantly off.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Matteliszt » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:41 pm

Test 2 - 79/100 162
Test 3 - 88/100 178


*edit* DF the scale/curve is like +12
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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby sundevil77 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:44 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:
Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled


If you got an actual 162 raw on the test (81*2), your scaled score would be a lot higher. That's the meaning of the scaled score. You *will* get a more wrong on the actual test, but I wouldn't be surprised if your scaled score wasn't significantly off.


Real exam only counts 190 questions. The scaled score accounts for that.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby I.P. Daly » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:45 pm

kaiser wrote:
I.P. Daly wrote:
kaiser wrote:And what exactly would be their incentive for putting out an unrepresentative set of questions that are too easy?


I've heard from multiple bar takers that the released questions are easier.


Same question as post above me. Are we talking the released Q's that they submit to BarBri, and release generally (i.e. very old questions)? Or the question sets from recent tests they NCBE themselves say are supposed to be relatively representative?


(The questions submitted to BarBri)

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Glock » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:51 pm

I.P. Daly wrote:
(The questions submitted to BarBri)




Yeah, I think those public release questions get tossed precisely because they are too easy.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby kaiser » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:12 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:
Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled


If you got an actual 162 raw on the test (81*2), your scaled score would be a lot higher. That's the meaning of the scaled score. You *will* get a more wrong on the actual test, but I wouldn't be surprised if your scaled score wasn't significantly off.


You don't just multiply by 2 since your raw is only out of the 190 that count. To see how the scaling works, multiply your raw by 1.9. That would be the raw they use to scale you up.

81 x 1.9 = 153.9

Add in 12.1, and you get 166

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Old Gregg » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:19 pm

kaiser wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:
Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled


If you got an actual 162 raw on the test (81*2), your scaled score would be a lot higher. That's the meaning of the scaled score. You *will* get a more wrong on the actual test, but I wouldn't be surprised if your scaled score wasn't significantly off.


You don't just multiply by 2 since your raw is only out of the 190 that count. To see how the scaling works, multiply your raw by 1.9. That would be the raw they use to scale you up.

81 x 1.9 = 153.9

Add in 12.1, and you get 166


That's fine. On the real test, the number you "add" is a bit higher.

Edit: I take that back.

My perspective on the whole thing: You'll do somewhere between NCBEX score and MPQ2 full test sim score. Former is easy, latter is hard. Truth is somewhere in the middle.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby sundevil77 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:26 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:
kaiser wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:
Exactly, that's why I'm concerned that these are easy questions that they released. It might not be representative of the mix of difficulty tested recently.

Test 2: 81/100 - 166 scaled


If you got an actual 162 raw on the test (81*2), your scaled score would be a lot higher. That's the meaning of the scaled score. You *will* get a more wrong on the actual test, but I wouldn't be surprised if your scaled score wasn't significantly off.


You don't just multiply by 2 since your raw is only out of the 190 that count. To see how the scaling works, multiply your raw by 1.9. That would be the raw they use to scale you up.

81 x 1.9 = 153.9

Add in 12.1, and you get 166


That's fine. On the real test, the number you "add" is a bit higher.

Edit: I take that back.

My perspective on the whole thing: You'll do somewhere between NCBEX score and MPQ2 full test sim score. Former is easy, latter is hard. Truth is somewhere in the middle.


Have you done an NCBEX test? In the score print out you receive at the end of the test, they say that your score is scaled based on what other students did on those questions. That sounds like it would be a pretty accurate prediction to me.

And it's very plausible that TLSers would all be seeing very high scaled scores. Just look at how many 170+ LSATs there are walking around this site when the truth is only 2% of takers score that high. I would expect them to be scoring in the top 1% on the MBE as well.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Old Gregg » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:27 pm

Have you done an NCBEX test? In the score print out you receive at the end of the test, they say that your score is scaled based on what other students did on those questions. That sounds like it would be pretty accurate prediction to me.


Yeah, but I like to hedge my bets more than anything else. I'd rather be comfortable with "somewhere in the middle" and study more to build that cushion rather than take shit for granted.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby Reinhardt » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:28 pm

Test 3: 91/100, 182 scaled

I'm taking Themis though, so had seen many of the questions before. I got one or two intentionally wrong to account for that (and probably lots others right that I shouldn't have), but I still don't feel comfortable putting faith in it.
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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby sundevil77 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:30 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:
Have you done an NCBEX test? In the score print out you receive at the end of the test, they say that your score is scaled based on what other students did on those questions. That sounds like it would be pretty accurate prediction to me.


Yeah, but I like to hedge my bets more than anything else. I'd rather be comfortable with "somewhere in the middle" and study more to build that cushion rather than take shit for granted.


Oh I'm right there with you on that. Especially since you never know what kind of nerves are going to hit on test day.

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Re: NCBE Online MBE Practice Tests

Postby 09042014 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:32 pm

Reinhardt wrote:Test 3: 91/100, 182 scaled

I'm taking Themis though, so had seen many of the questions before. I got one or two intentionally wrong to account for that, but I still don't feel comfortable putting faith in it.


Yea I don't think I'll bohter if themis used them anyway.




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