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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Torts Illustrated » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:25 pm

Actually, since I'm predicting Wills/Trusts, Real Property, and (probably) Contracts, I guess Remedies is a pretty likely crossover with any of those. I wouldn't rule out a PR crossover too, just because the bar examiners seem to love PR so much.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:26 pm

Torts Illustrated wrote:Actually, since I'm predicting Wills/Trusts, Real Property, and (probably) Contracts, I guess Remedies is a pretty likely crossover with any of those. I wouldn't rule out a PR crossover too, just because the bar examiners seem to love PR so much.


I think this is right.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby deadlinguo » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:28 pm

Corps is probably out of the question for being tested again, right? At the least, they probably won't ask a question involving self-dealing directors.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby worldtraveler » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:29 pm

This exam is making me question every single decision I have made in my life that led me toward the bar exam.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby jmhendri » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:30 pm

deadlinguo wrote:Corps is probably out of the question for being tested again, right? At the least, they probably won't ask a question involving self-dealing directors.


I was thinking trusts is out for this reason too... or at least not a trusts problem involving charitable purposes?

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:31 pm

Haha, I basically told myself "this doesn't make sense now, but it'll make sense and I'll have a plan of action in the end. If I don't, I'm fucked."

After reading all the materials: "I'm fucked."

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby jmhendri » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:32 pm

hopkins23 wrote:I concur with what everyone said in this thread regarding the PT. I never had a clear understanding of the law or how to extract the law from the statutes/cases and was always unsure about what exactly I was doing. I never felt comfortable at all throughout that exam.

As I was reading through the library, I was thinking, "Umm...this is going to be cleared up soon and make sense, right." Few pages later, "Right...?" At the end of the library, "&*#&@." I read the library twice and skimmed through it again, to no avail.

I "finished", but the last two sections of the five-part section thingy was pretty much the same drivel. And the second part was drivel too that I wrote in 5 minutes.

Misery loves company.


yeah, I actually think I would have done better if I more or less cut and paste the same analysis for at least three of those.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Mroberts3 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:34 pm

Yeah that PT SUUUUUCKED. I think part of it was the way our idiot attorney asked us to structure our answer that threw me off the most. I think my analysis on part 2 of the PT was pretty solid (I did it first because the first section was too much to handle).

My real concern with the PT is that when they go to calibrate it, they will have so many different approaches that the one they choose as "correct" will inevitably be somewhat arbitrary. Hopefully they recognize that and give points for trying to follow instructions and not going off topic.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:36 pm

Emma. wrote:
Reinhardt wrote:I bombed that PT. Holy shit.


I don't even want to know what we were supposed to do on it. I actually wrote like 3000 words. Just rambling incoherent nonsense, most of which repeated itself. Holyshit.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:36 pm

Post on xo:
"i just checked the cmr and it didn't even have anything about the "involuntary servitude clause." you actually had to go to the big outline to even know anything at all about that question. lol just fucking lol."

thank you for summing up this morning.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby ben bernanke » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:37 pm

That PT was horrible. Would be thrilled with a 55.

Wonder what standards are for a 55? A 50? Worse?

3 of those 5 sections completely punted....

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Haribo » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:39 pm

jmhendri wrote:
yeah, I actually think I would have done better if I more or less cut and paste the same analysis for at least three of those.


I ran out of time and did that. I cut and paste in my analysis for the second problem for the last two. Pretty sure it's wrong, pretty sure I failed. I thought performance tests were supposed to be easy? "Don't bother studying, if you don't know it by law school, you won't learn it for the bar exam.."

Also WTF is the involuntary servitude clause.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby deadlinguo » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:40 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:Post on xo:
"i just checked the cmr and it didn't even have anything about the "involuntary servitude clause." you actually had to go to the big outline to even know anything at all about that question. lol just fucking lol."

thank you for summing up this morning.


Yeah that was totally out of left field. I just made up some shit like "it prevents the state from forcing a person to perform labor" which is like the definition of the term yeah fuckin brilliant. Although I at least was clever enough to also write that it doesn't apply to criminal punishments because I remembered chain gangs from Hollywood movies...

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:42 pm

deadlinguo wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:Post on xo:
"i just checked the cmr and it didn't even have anything about the "involuntary servitude clause." you actually had to go to the big outline to even know anything at all about that question. lol just fucking lol."

thank you for summing up this morning.


Yeah that was totally out of left field. I just made up some shit like "it prevents the state from forcing a person to perform labor" which is like the definition of the term yeah fuckin brilliant. Although I at least was clever enough to also write that it doesn't apply to criminal punishments because I remembered chain gangs from Hollywood movies...


Pretty much did the exact same thing.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby jmhendri » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:45 pm

I had no idea what that was about, but I made something up about it not being involuntary servitude if they could arguably just not drop out to avoid it.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby a male human » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:46 pm

I hope corporations and remedies are out of the picture now.

So I didn't even understand the assignment for a while, even after reading it several times. The statutes only talked about director liability, and the assignment wanted me to talk about SIA's liability. Out of desperation, I said a corporation provides limited liability to its directors and officers, so SIA would be liable for the acts of the directors. Then I just paraphrased the statutes as part of my answer (like I wouldn't have access to copy and paste IRL).

I "finished," but I was just smashing the keyboard in bullet time in the last 30 seconds. Was hoping to get a few more words in before the announcer called time. The second part about dissolution was 3 paragraphs long, just based on the last case.

Totally BS'd the 13th amendment shit, too.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:50 pm

deadlinguo wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:Post on xo:
"i just checked the cmr and it didn't even have anything about the "involuntary servitude clause." you actually had to go to the big outline to even know anything at all about that question. lol just fucking lol."

thank you for summing up this morning.


Yeah that was totally out of left field. I just made up some shit like "it prevents the state from forcing a person to perform labor" which is like the definition of the term yeah fuckin brilliant. Although I at least was clever enough to also write that it doesn't apply to criminal punishments because I remembered chain gangs from Hollywood movies...


I just applied strict scrutiny and moved on. Sounded like I knew what I was talking about. Lulz

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby 1L1284 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:56 pm

To those who didn't finish the PT - don't worry. I did the one thing I wasn't supposed to do so I'm pretty sure I failed. Totally forgot we weren't supposed to talk about director liability. Of course that's all I did on parts of it because there was nothing else I could think of to talk about .... Guess I'll try to make it up tomorrow.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Mroberts3 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:56 pm

I actually liked that part of the question -- tests your creativity. I think both of the above are good routes. I focused more on analogizing to the draft but then shot that down because its a state doing labor camps instead of the feds fighting a war.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:58 pm

Is it just wishful thinking to hope that W&T is less likely after we've had a Community Property question today? (And after that fucked up sorta trusts-related PT?)

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Foosters Galore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:59 pm

Mroberts3 wrote:I actually liked that part of the question -- tests your creativity. I think both of the above are good routes. I focused more on analogizing to the draft but then shot that down because its a state doing labor camps instead of the feds fighting a war.


Ha, I did this exact same thing.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:59 pm

Tangerine Gleam wrote:Is it just wishful thinking to hope that W&T is less likely after we've had a Community Property question today? (And after that fucked up sorta trusts-related PT?)


I think so. W&T wasn't on the last exam, and it's basically on almost every exam, so something makes me think it has to be tested.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:01 pm

hopkins23 wrote:I read a few pages back that if you don't finish a PT, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass the essay. Anyone can confirm this?


This too. It's the nature of the curve. The fact that there aren't people in this thread, which is generally comprised of really smart people, who were like "well shit that was easy" is pretty reassuring.




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