California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby vacations » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:35 pm

Ok time for some honesty...how do you guys feel right now?

Prepared? Good to go? Or deifnitely some (a lot) more brushing up to do while trying franctically not to freak out...

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Emma. » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:36 pm

vacations wrote:Ok time for some honesty...how do you guys feel right now?

Prepared? Good to go? Or deifnitely some (a lot) more brushing up to do while trying franctically not to freak out...


The latter. :|

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Reinhardt » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:44 pm

The latter, especially with some of the BarBri stuff going on in here now that Themis didn't cover at all.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby adonai » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:48 pm

Just wanted to wish everyone good luck. I will be in your position next year and am not looking forward to it at all. I was wondering which California Bar Exam topic you guys thought was the easiest to learn on your own and doesn't require you to take it during school?

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:55 pm

adonai wrote:Just wanted to wish everyone good luck. I will be in your position next year and am not looking forward to it at all. I was wondering which California Bar Exam topic you guys thought was the easiest to learn on your own and doesn't require you to take it during school?


CA Community Property, I guess. But I'm still pretty scared of getting it on the exam.

I think it would be a big mistake to not at least take Evidence and Crim Pro in school. They are learnable in a summer, but I imagine that they would be some of the more difficult subjects to get a solid grasp of.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby a male human » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:56 pm

i'm tired and don't want to study my last subject--evidence and ca evidence

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby spaacecdt » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Any of you mathematically/statistically inclined?

If so, how accurate do you think these bad boys are:

http://www.lawprism.com/resources.php

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:57 pm

Right now I'm hopefully prepared enough to pass. I'm just using tonight and tomorrow to build some cushion. The bar exam is all about failsafes.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Reinhardt » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:02 pm

The Cal Bar releases its formula to calculate the scores for each administration, so the Law Prism stuff is accurate. Each administration's curve is a bit different though.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:31 pm

DwightSchruteFarms wrote:Damn, just did Crossover Essay 5. Highly recc it. Corps/PR Essay and I def missed 25% of the issues


Yikes. This one was tough. Never a good feeling to read BarEssays answers that got 55s and think "hmm, I couldn't have written that right now."

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby a male human » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:40 pm

To be clear, is a 60 a "failing" grade and 65 a "passing"? I think I also heard 62.5 supposed to be the average? Not really sure how good a 65 should be...

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:58 pm

Although states can't enact laws that conflict w/ federal laws, can states create laws that are more restrictive? One of the MBE Qs confused me on that...

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Shaggier1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:05 pm

Although states can't enact laws that conflict w/ federal laws, can states create laws that are more restrictive? One of the MBE Qs confused me on that...


As I understand it, the answer is yes unless the pre-emption is express, in which case states cannot make laws in the field even if they are consistent with the federal law.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:12 pm

Thanks broseph.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Shaggier1 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:18 pm

Np. For any other questions, you might be better off going to Uncle Phil. He's a judge.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby DwightSchruteFarms » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:33 pm

Tangerine Gleam wrote:
DwightSchruteFarms wrote:Damn, just did Crossover Essay 5. Highly recc it. Corps/PR Essay and I def missed 25% of the issues


Yikes. This one was tough. Never a good feeling to read BarEssays answers that got 55s and think "hmm, I couldn't have written that right now."


Doubt that anyone could write about all those PR issues in one hour tho. Barbri's answer had like 8-10 issues just on PR. Insanity

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Reinhardt » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:40 pm

The good news is that a good faith effort that isn't 1 page or completely wrong gets at least a 50. If you have a decent MBE and PTs you can absorb even one or two 50s if you make it up on other essays.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:31 am

For sexually-oriented speech, is the reasonableness standard national or local community? I have the former, but saw one of the answers on NCBEX say the latter was sufficient.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Reinhardt » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:35 am

Obscenity?
1) appeals to prurient interest (local standard)
2) offensive to the average person (local standard)
3) lacking in serious scientific, literary, artistic, or political merit (national standard)

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby jmhendri » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:57 am

Shaggier1 wrote:
Although states can't enact laws that conflict w/ federal laws, can states create laws that are more restrictive? One of the MBE Qs confused me on that...


As I understand it, the answer is yes unless the pre-emption is express, in which case states cannot make laws in the field even if they are consistent with the federal law.


Or in the case of field preemption.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:59 am

Fresh Prince wrote:Although states can't enact laws that conflict w/ federal laws, can states create laws that are more restrictive? One of the MBE Qs confused me on that...


Federal laws are a floor. States can "ratchet up" constitutional protections but they can't "ratchet them down"

Unless preemption, as others already said

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Old Gregg » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:15 am

Thanks guys. 11th hour question about CP: For putative marriage, if one of the "spouses" knows that the marriage is false and can be shown to know, he/she forfeits his half of CP, right?

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Reinhardt » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:26 am

Fresh Prince wrote:Thanks guys. 11th hour question about CP: For putative marriage, if one of the "spouses" knows that the marriage is false and can be shown to know, he/she forfeits his half of CP, right?


If he (probably he) is knowingly maintaining one regular marriage and one quasi-marriage, then the two innocent spouses split the CP, but not sure about other situations.

For instance, if one putative spouse tells the other that he filed their marriage papers, but didn't actually do it, I'm not sure courts are going to go so far as to take away his half of the CP.

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:46 am

Just saw a cargo truck unloading what appeared to be boxes of your exams. At the Oakland convention center. Hope they have enough power outlets this year

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Re: California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread

Postby Emma. » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:54 am

Reinhardt wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:Thanks guys. 11th hour question about CP: For putative marriage, if one of the "spouses" knows that the marriage is false and can be shown to know, he/she forfeits his half of CP, right?


If he (probably he) is knowingly maintaining one regular marriage and one quasi-marriage, then the two innocent spouses split the CP, but not sure about other situations.

For instance, if one putative spouse tells the other that he filed their marriage papers, but didn't actually do it, I'm not sure courts are going to go so far as to take away his half of the CP.


IIRC some courts only have held that the innocent spouse gets 1/2 of the QMP, the other spouse gets his or her contributions to the QMP up to 1/2 of the QMP to but gets nothing from the innocent spouse. Some just divide the QMP 50-50

So if at the start of the "marriage" neither spouse had any assets, and then for the entire marriage both the innocent H and the wrongdoer W were earning, the innocent H would get 1/2 of the W's earnings and keep ALL of his earnings. The W keeps 1/2 of her earnings but gets nothing from the spouse.

In other news, fog has fucked up my flight and I might not make it to CA to take the exam at all.




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