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hopkins23 wrote: Been focusing on the essays for the past 2 weeks hardcore (almost exclusively). I'm in CA, so it's not 50%.
Thats what I've heard. And now that I look back at BarBri's sample essays, it seems like 4's aren't even all that good an an answer anyway. I feel like, just by noting the right issues, with just some baseline discussion, you get a 5. Add in some supplementary points (i.e. noting viable exceptions, saying the summary judgment standard if its a motion for SJ, etc.) and I think it would be very hard to get below a 5.joban224 wrote:How are fellow NY takers feeling? Apparently BarBri essay graders are much stricter than the Bar Examiners? --i.e., if you were getting 4's, on the real thing it's no less than a 5 and likely a 6.
kaiser wrote:Thats what I've heard. And now that I look back at BarBri's sample essays, it seems like 4's aren't even all that good an an answer anyway. I feel like, just by noting the right issues, with just some baseline discussion, you get a 5. Add in some supplementary points (i.e. noting viable exceptions, saying the summary judgment standard if its a motion for SJ, etc.) and I think it would be very hard to get below a 5.joban224 wrote:How are fellow NY takers feeling? Apparently BarBri essay graders are much stricter than the Bar Examiners? --i.e., if you were getting 4's, on the real thing it's no less than a 5 and likely a 6.
too much fun to handle. You're sick!c3pO4 wrote:copped that 159 on NCBE practice test 2 yesterday (77 raw) after 143 (68 raw) on test 1. weird spread, but I think i was just off my game for test 1. shows the value of rest/focus. will do test 3 for final tune-up tomorrow, and spend monday on essays/relaxing.
bros, we are ready. anybody else think this is going to be fun?
In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
You're correct.Scurredsitless1 wrote:In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
In a title theory state, I think the mortgage would break the joint tenancy. Once the mortgage attaches, A's share would be a tenant in common because the one of the 4 unities is broken (title). I think B and C would still be tenants in common over the remaining 2/3s interest. (I'm not 100% sure about this title theory part)
A title theory mortgage would sever A from the joint tenancy (whereas a lien theory wouldn't). B & C however, would still be joint tenants with one another, but A would be a tenant in common with both. B & C would still have their right of survivorship intact. And when one of them dies, it is at that point that no more joint tenancy exists. The severance of one joint tenant does NOT sever the JT as between the other joint tenants (assuming there are still multiple joint tenants left).Scurredsitless1 wrote:In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
In a title theory state, I think the mortgage would break the joint tenancy. Once the mortgage attaches, A's share would be a tenant in common because the one of the 4 unities is broken (title). I think B and C would still be tenants in common over the remaining 2/3s interest. (I'm not 100% sure about this title theory part)
kaiser wrote:Thats what I've heard. And now that I look back at BarBri's sample essays, it seems like 4's aren't even all that good an an answer anyway. I feel like, just by noting the right issues, with just some baseline discussion, you get a 5. Add in some supplementary points (i.e. noting viable exceptions, saying the summary judgment standard if its a motion for SJ, etc.) and I think it would be very hard to get below a 5.joban224 wrote:How are fellow NY takers feeling? Apparently BarBri essay graders are much stricter than the Bar Examiners? --i.e., if you were getting 4's, on the real thing it's no less than a 5 and likely a 6.
I don't think it's dependent on one of the unities being broken, just that there was a valid convenyance (constructive conveyance I guess? since it's a mortgage). The unities just matter for formation afaik. Think you've got the right answer for the right reasons thoScurredsitless1 wrote:In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
In a title theory state, I think the mortgage would break the joint tenancy. Once the mortgage attaches, A's share would be a tenant in common because the one of the 4 unities is broken (title). I think B and C would still betenants in commonjoint tenants over the remaining 2/3s interest. (I'm not 100% sure about this title theory part)
edit: correction based on comment below.
If and A and B are just tenants in common, and bank gets a lien on A's interest, how exactly does this work in application? Can the bank foreclose?Scurredsitless1 wrote:In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
In a title theory state, I think the mortgage would break the joint tenancy. Once the mortgage attaches, A's share would be a tenant in common because the one of the 4 unities is broken (title). I think B and C would still betenants in commonjoint tenants over the remaining 2/3s interest. (I'm not 100% sure about this title theory part)
It's a "use it or lose it" situation, risk of A dying is on them if it happens before A pays it off or defaults.rnf1292 wrote:If and A and B are just tenants in common, and bank gets a lien on A's interest, how exactly does this work in application? Can the bank foreclose?Scurredsitless1 wrote:In a lien theory state, the bank would have no interest in the property upon A's death. The property would then be held by B and C as joint tenants.KeepitKind wrote:If joint tenant A gets a mortgage on his interest (in a lien theory state), is the property released from the mortgage on A's death?
So if A-B-C are joint tenants, A gets a mortgage on the property then dies, who owns the land?
- A-B as joint tenants with Bank as tenant in common? A-B as joint tenants over the entire property?
and what about in a title state? tyia!
In a title theory state, I think the mortgage would break the joint tenancy. Once the mortgage attaches, A's share would be a tenant in common because the one of the 4 unities is broken (title). I think B and C would still betenants in commonjoint tenants over the remaining 2/3s interest. (I'm not 100% sure about this title theory part)
What did you find that made it difficult? Just synthesizing everything? Time pressure? Sifting out the extraneous stuff?blong4133 wrote:Man, do I royally suck at MPT's.
And I took every practical writing class that my school offered.
I hate my life right now. (in addition to my lack of confidence in general)
BCLS wrote:Anyone else getting incredibly lazy? I worked hard all summer but now I find myself really just wanting to veg out and chill. Sick of rotating outlines/ essays. Should I be chillin or gunning right now?
kaiser wrote:What did you find that made it difficult? Just synthesizing everything? Time pressure? Sifting out the extraneous stuff?blong4133 wrote:Man, do I royally suck at MPT's.
And I took every practical writing class that my school offered.
I hate my life right now. (in addition to my lack of confidence in general)
Those Barbri model answers..... they are sooo ridiculous. So ridiculous.....kaiser wrote:What did you find that made it difficult? Just synthesizing everything? Time pressure? Sifting out the extraneous stuff?blong4133 wrote:Man, do I royally suck at MPT's.
And I took every practical writing class that my school offered.
I hate my life right now. (in addition to my lack of confidence in general)