Re: Anyone fail or know someone who failed the bar?
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:16 am
Thanks a bunch
I appreciate the advice
I appreciate the advice
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One thing I kept in mind at all times was pass/fail. You have to keep that perspective or else you'll be discouraged. I constantly reminded myself of how low the bar is to pass. Getting 70-75% on the MBE is almost an autopass in CA, so whenever I hit the ~70% on the MBE sets, I felt fine. By the end I was hitting 80-90%.NYstate wrote: My advice is to study as hard for this as you would the LSAT. It may be overkill, but it is better to be extremely prepared as opposed to underprepared.
I think that anyone who prepared well for the LSAT will know how to avoid the tricks of answering multiple choice questions.
I am amazed that firms still hire without first being a licensed lawyer now days (many don't)NYstate wrote:Someone in my firm failed twice so he was fired. They give you one fail, that is it. Almost everyone passes so you don't want to be the one person who doesn't. The firm sends out an announcement of who passed and you want to be on that list. Failing isn't the end of your career but it is definitely embarrassing.
My advice is to study as hard for this as you would the LSAT. It may be overkill, but it is better to be extremely prepared as opposed to underprepared.
I focused on the multistate hard and took a weekend class that focused on the multistage in addition to the regular barbri course. I was told multiple times that the bar examiners deny it, but if you do well on the multistate your essays are not graded as closely. They separate essays to grade into groups based on multistage score. I am not a grader but this makes sense to me.
I think that anyone who prepared well for the LSAT will know how to avoid the tricks of answering multiple choice questions.
Honestly it was blow off easy. I think it is an example of "throw some money at it" mentality when it comes to immorality in the legal field.rad lulz wrote:Yeah MPRE seems like a skill just like LSAT is a skill
I have found that if I am "ok" with a 70 I tend to get a 60 but if I tell myself I NEED a 100 I tend to get around an 80 or higher.hiima3L wrote:One thing I kept in mind at all times was pass/fail. You have to keep that perspective or else you'll be discouraged. I constantly reminded myself of how low the bar is to pass. Getting 70-75% on the MBE is almost an autopass in CA, so whenever I hit the ~70% on the MBE sets, I felt fine. By the end I was hitting 80-90%.NYstate wrote: My advice is to study as hard for this as you would the LSAT. It may be overkill, but it is better to be extremely prepared as opposed to underprepared.
I think that anyone who prepared well for the LSAT will know how to avoid the tricks of answering multiple choice questions.
Also, though I know some people will disagree, I strongly recommend not wasting your time on actually writing out essay answers. Go over them thoroughly multiple times, make thorough outlines, write out rule statements and so on, but don't waste time on physically writing them out. As long as you've structured them and know how to analyze them, and go back and see what you missed and absorb the rule, that is plenty. Relatedly, I would strongly recommend typing out rule statements over and over until you can recite them without thinking about it.
I think the passport photo is for them to keep so they can show it to proctors if an issue comes up and say which of these guys did you see cheating? Then they can look through those photos. Only reasonable explanation to me.thelawdoctor wrote:Honestly it was blow off easy. I think it is an example of "throw some money at it" mentality when it comes to immorality in the legal field.rad lulz wrote:Yeah MPRE seems like a skill just like LSAT is a skill
The passport photo alone makes no sense since you have to show photo ID to compare it to (if you could fake a photo ID I bet you could find a way to pay $3 at CVC for a fucking photo of yourself too)
Plus it's just like a 2nd test for PR but easier. I agree, it's just a way to make money.
It just struck me as odd that they didn't require for the lsat if it was so important, even though lsat fingerprinted my ass.usuaggie wrote:I think the passport photo is for them to keep so they can show it to proctors if an issue comes up and say which of these guys did you see cheating? Then they can look through those photos. Only reasonable explanation to me.thelawdoctor wrote:Honestly it was blow off easy. I think it is an example of "throw some money at it" mentality when it comes to immorality in the legal field.rad lulz wrote:Yeah MPRE seems like a skill just like LSAT is a skill
The passport photo alone makes no sense since you have to show photo ID to compare it to (if you could fake a photo ID I bet you could find a way to pay $3 at CVC for a fucking photo of yourself too)
Plus it's just like a 2nd test for PR but easier. I agree, it's just a way to make money.
Lol at my phone- sorry.ajax adonis wrote:You keep saying "multistage."NYstate wrote:Someone in my firm failed twice so he was fired. They give you one fail, that is it. Almost everyone passes so you don't want to be the one person who doesn't. The firm sends out an announcement of who passed and you want to be on that list. Failing isn't the end of your career but it is definitely embarrassing.
My advice is to study as hard for this as you would the LSAT. It may be overkill, but it is better to be extremely prepared as opposed to underprepared.
I focused on the multistate hard and took a weekend class that focused on the multistage in addition to the regular barbri course. I was told multiple times that the bar examiners deny it, but if you do well on the multistate your essays are not graded as closely. They separate essays to grade into groups based on multistage score. I am not a grader but this makes sense to me.
I think that anyone who prepared well for the LSAT will know how to avoid the tricks of answering multiple choice questions.
The MBE?rad lulz wrote:Shit I mean MBE is a skill like LSAT is a skill
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I said "MPRE" abovethelawdoctor wrote:The MBE?rad lulz wrote:Shit I mean MBE is a skill like LSAT is a skill
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What's wrong with that?
ok, brain turned back on. never mind.rad lulz wrote:I said "MPRE" abovethelawdoctor wrote:The MBE?rad lulz wrote:Shit I mean MBE is a skill like LSAT is a skill
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What's wrong with that?
It is substantive so there is a huge difference from the LSAT. But you will be able to eliminate wrong or tricky answers quickly which will make it easier. Also, you won't have a time management issue. If those skills are rusty, they will return quickly as you practice. I think anyone who has done well on the LSAT can do well on the MBE if they study diligently.rad lulz wrote:I said "MPRE" abovethelawdoctor wrote:The MBE?rad lulz wrote:Shit I mean MBE is a skill like LSAT is a skill
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What's wrong with that?
Perhaps, but my point was more that the lsat (like the asvab) was more of a general "can you wipe yourself without help" type test and the bar seems more of a "did you sleep for 3 years" exam.Desert Fox wrote:Standardize test ability is pretty consistent, no matter what test it is. I bet some law nerd wrote an article about it.