texanwahoo wrote:Richie Tenenbaum wrote:ETA: Also, you should know that a good chunk of people get 1L SAs in Texas. And there isn't much of difference between what you learn during your average judicial internship.
Wow, and you guys are calling *me* a bullshitter? This is a complete crock. Houston BigLaw firms hired a total of about 50 1L SAs last year. That's out of a total of around 2,000 1Ls from Texas law schools alone, never mind all the T14 kids originally from Houston or Texas seeking internships there (not to mention 1Ls not from Texas who want to work in O&G). I wouldn't call that a "big chunk," personally, but to each his own.
? Which part is a complete crock? Even assuming that number you're throwing out is true (source? you relying on NALP?), you need to keep in mind that most all 1L SAs go to T14 and UT people. I knew around 20 people in my class who got 1L biglaw SAs in either Dallas, Houston, or Austin. And I don't know most of the people in my class (~380). My guess would be the overall number is closer to 40. Either way, I would consider that a good chunk and that's the hiring out of UT alone. Also, I would be very surprised if TX firms liked UT more than someone from Harvard or Columbia who has ties. (Thus, someone at a T14 who wants to come back to TX should try to get a 1L SA--these jobs do exist.)
texanwahoo wrote:Richie Tenenbaum wrote:(And 1L SAs at bigfirms typically result in an offer to return as a 2L, which makes OCI a lot less stressful.)
You're ignoring several facts: 1) It doesn't matter what you do 1L summer as long as it's legally related; 2) anyone qualified enough to get a 1L SA gig will likely have a number of suitors courting them at OCI regardless; and 3) some of us don't let interviews stress us out, even in the face of bullshit questions like "the Brick."
Lol. Let's look at your original argument:
texanwahoo wrote:Yes, we all know how fucking awesome it will look on your resume if you managed to secure one of the exceedingly rare 1L summer clerk jobs in BigLaw, but we also know that 1Ls are de facto copy boys and mail distributors at such firms. Yes, we know the $3K weekly paychecks are alluring, but in the long run, that judicial internship -- please, please tell me you know I mean *federal* internship -- or DA's intern gig will provide vastly more *applicable* training for the remainder of your law school years.
You seem to be saying that a judicial internship or DA internship will teach you more than a 1L SA. I responded back by saying not really and there is another benefit to being a 1L SA: a good chance of having insurance if you strike out with all the OCI firms. I did a judicial internship 1L summer and really enjoyed it, but I would have traded that for having this insurance, regardless of the 3K/wk salary. And I say this as someone who got multiple offers from OCI. It's better to have some insurance when it comes to your legal career, and OCI can be random at times. (I know a few people with good grades who either almost struck out or actually did strike out--and, no, the answer of "well if you're a good interviewer this won't happen" is not good insurance against this randomness. Good interviewers can have bad results as well.)
So telling everyone to value judicial internships or DA internships more than 1L SAs is just dumb for someone who wants biglaw after graduation. Sure, do the DA internship if you actually want to do criminal law after law school, but if you want to do biglaw than a 1L SA is typically better than both. (Maybe there's an argument that splitting between a 1L SA and a judicial internship is more helpful than 2 1L SAs, since it gives you a chance to try and connect with a judge if you're interested in clerkships.)