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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:38 am

Bronx Bum wrote:New York?

85 bro...that number is seared into my memory.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Bronx Bum » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:48 am

ironman467 wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:New York?

85 bro...that number is seared into my memory.


No I mean is that the state you'll be admitted late to?

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:50 am

Bronx Bum wrote:
ironman467 wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:New York?

85 bro...that number is seared into my memory.


No I mean is that the state you'll be admitted late to?

Oh, nope! Thought you were referring to the score.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:52 am

You in the same boat (God willing we both pass the bar)?

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby iiifly » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:23 pm

I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Bronx Bum » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:45 pm

iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.


Posts like this demonstrate why law students are the worst to hang out with.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Korematsu » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:59 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:
iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.


Posts like this demonstrate why law students are the worst to hang out with.


Only the law students who are d-bags like this are the worst to hang out with. I passed it, I'm good in every jurisdiction. I don't give a shit. I watched the BarBri lecture and took one practice test. I spent no more 6 hrs on it. I'm sorry we aren't all as bright as you T14 douches.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby brose » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:09 pm

iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.


:roll:

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby brose002 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:28 pm

brose wrote:
iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.


:roll:


I'm hoping that was a troll post

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby krishna_das » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:39 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:
iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.


Posts like this demonstrate why law students are the worst to hang out with.


Agreed! Absolutely rolled my eyes at the "I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic." comment. I think if NCBEX showed the percentile a given score falls in, people would have a better perspective, and wouldn't make comments like that. I found an article that shows you how to calculate what percentile your score ranks. http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/scaling-your-mpre-score/

Basically the formula for calculating your Z-score is Z = (Your score - The Average Score) / The Standard Deviation

Then go here http://www.measuringusability.com/pcalcz.php, put in your Z-score, select the "one-sided" option and it will calculate your percentile.

Using last year's data, you can get a pretty accurate idea of how you did relative to everyone else (notwithstanding that simply achieving a passing score in your jurisdiction is excellent)! For last year's August administration, the mean score was 95.8, and the standard deviation was 16.9. http://www.ncbex.org/assets/media_files/Bar-Examiner/articles/2013/8201132012statistics.pdf See page 36.

I'll use my score of 109 to illustrate:
Z = [109 - 95.8] /16.9
Z-Score: .78
Percentile: 78th Percentile (A score of 109 scored higher than 78% of testers).

Other examples:

A score of 119:
Z = [119 - 95.8] /16.9
Z-Score: 1.3
Percentile: 91st Percentile (A score of 119 scored higher than 91% of testers).

A score of 103:
Z = [103 - 95.8] /16.9
Z-Score: .43
Percentile: 67th Percentile (A score of 103 scored higher than 67% of testers).

A score of 86: - The highest any jurisdiction requires
Z = [86 - 95.8] /16.9
Z-Score: -.58
Percentile: 28th Percentile (A score of 86 scores higher than 28% of testers).

A score of 75: - The lowest any jurisdiction requires
Z= [75 - 95.8] /16.9
Z-Score: -1.23
Percentile: 11th Percentile (A score of 75 scores higher than 11% of testers).

I'm sure you get the point. Given that the average scores for the MPRE remain pretty close to one another each year, a score of 119 for this past August probably puts you above the 90th percentile. It's an excellent score. And if last year's data is any indication, only bout 1% of testers score a 130 out of 150. I'm not even going to calculate that percentile rank. You only need to be in the 28th percentile to clear all jurisdictions (less for other jurisdictions). If you passed, just be happy. If you exceeded what you needed, be ecstatic. Given that the August MPRE tests over 19,000 testers nationally, passing (especially exceeding what you needed) means that you've done a pretty good job.

If you scored higher than what your jurisdiction needed (especially if you're in the triple digits), suppress your inner douchebaggery.
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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:55 pm

krishna_das wrote:
A score of 75: - The lowest any jurisdiction requires
Z= (75 - 95.8) /16.9
Z-Score: -1.23
Percentile: 11th Percentile (A score of 75 scores higher than 11% of testers).


I scored a 76 cold (and I mean didn't look at the rules or take any practice exams cold). I'm heading to one of the two states that don't require the MPRE.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:01 pm

krishna_das wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:
iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.


Posts like this demonstrate why law students are the worst to hang out with.


Agreed! Absolutely rolled my eyes at the "I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic." comment. I think if NCBEX showed the percentile a given score falls in, people would have a better perspective, and wouldn't make comments like that. I found an article that shows you how to calculate what percentile your score ranks. http://firstfloor.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/scaling-your-mpre-score/

Basically the formula for calculating your Z-score is Z = (Your score - The Average Score) / The Standard Deviation

Then go here http://www.measuringusability.com/pcalcz.php, put in your Z-score, select the "one-sided" option and it will calculate your percentile.

Using last year's data, you can get a pretty accurate idea of how you did relative to everyone else (notwithstanding that simply achieving a passing score in your jurisdiction is excellent)! For last year's August administration, the mean score was 95.8, and the standard deviation was 16.9. http://www.ncbex.org/assets/media_files/Bar-Examiner/articles/2013/8201132012statistics.pdf See page 36.

I'll use my score of 109 to illustrate:
Z = (109 - 95.8) / 16.9
Z-Score: .78
Percentile: 78th Percentile (A score of 109 scored higher than 78% of testers).

Other examples:

A score of 119:
Z = (119 - 95.8) / 16.9
Z-Score: 1.37
Percentile: 91st Percentile (A score of 119 scored higher than 91% of testers).

A score of 103:
Z = (103 - 95.8) / 16.9
Z-Score: .43
Percentile: 67th Percentile (A score of 103 scored higher than 67% of testers).

A score of 86: - The highest any jurisdiction requires
Z = (86 - 95.8) / 16.9
Z-Score: -.58
Percentile: 28th Percentile (A score of 86 scores higher than 28% of testers).

A score of 75: - The lowest any jurisdiction requires
Z= (75 - 95.8) /16.9
Z-Score: -1.23
Percentile: 11th Percentile (A score of 75 scores higher than 11% of testers).

I'm sure you get the point. Given that the average scores for the MPRE remain pretty close to one another each year, a score of 119 for this past August probably puts you above the 90th percentile. It's an excellent score. And if last year's data is any indication, only bout 1% of testers score a 130 out of 150. I'm not even going to calculate that percentile rank. You only need to be in the 28th percentile to clear all jurisdictions (less for other jurisdictions). If you passed, just be happy. If you exceeded what you needed, be ecstatic. Given that the August MPRE tests over 19,000 testers nationally, passing (especially exceeding what you needed) means that you've done a pretty good job.

If you scored higher than what your jurisdiction needed (especially if you're in the triple digits), suppress your inner douchebaggery.

Damn. Any idea how many questions one needs to get correct to get an 85? I feel like I'm yet to see that.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby krishna_das » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:10 pm

Damn. Any idea how many questions one needs to get correct to get an 85? I feel like I'm yet to see that.


See below:

krishna_das wrote:I found more up-to-date data on the raw score one might need to achieve a passing scaled score in his or her jurisdiction.

Per Susan M. Case, PhD (Director of Testing for the National Conference of Bar Examiners) in a March 2011 column entitled "Common Goals with Increasingly Similar Outcomes: Jurisdiction Approaches to Bar Exam Grading, Scoring, and Standards":

While there is some variability from one administration to the next, a score of 100 reflects a performance of approximately 68 percent correct. The current standards used by jurisdictions reflect lower performance levels: 85 is approximately 60 percent correct; 80 is approximately 58 percent correct; 75 is approximately 56 percent correct. The difference between an 85 and an 86, for example, is less than one question.

Source: http://www.ncbex.org/assets/media_files/Bar-Examiner/articles/2011/800111_TestingColumn.pdf (See p. 3 "MPRE Passing Standard")

Raw | Scaled Score Conversion according to NCBEX's Director of Testing is approximately:
56% Raw (28/50) = 75 Scaled
58% Raw (29/50) = 80 Scaled
60% Raw (30/50) = 85 Scaled
68% Raw (34/50) = 100 Scaled

*I guess that's why Barbri recommends the 32-38 range to be safe because it probably puts a test taker above the scaled score of 86--the most any jurisdiction requires. I broke down the raw numbers out of 50 since 10 of the questions on the MPRE are experimental.

For those of us who studied with MPRE practice exams, this might give us an idea of how our raw percentages convert to scaled scores (approximately, at least). I hope this helps.
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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:19 pm

Always fun to see you were 1 question away from passing. Bleh.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby krishna_das » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:33 pm

ironman467 wrote:Always fun to see you were 1 question away from passing. Bleh.

Just a brief setback. I'm sure you'll pass the next time around.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby ironman467 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:36 pm

krishna_das wrote:
ironman467 wrote:Always fun to see you were 1 question away from passing. Bleh.

Just a brief setback. I'm sure you'll pass the next time around.

Yes, this time I won't be returning from a post bar ragetrip with minimal studying!!!!

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Detrox » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:34 pm

138. Retaking per advice I got on these forums to show future employers how truly ethical I can be.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Gorki » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:28 pm

iiifly wrote:I got a 119. Given that 150 is the max, I'm not totally ecstatic.

FWIW, I cracked open the BarBri book the week before and followed it's suggested sequence - including watching the video lecture (which I enjoyed, strangely). I had enough time to do 2.5 practice exams. I didn't do any of the online stuff. If I did, perhaps I would've done a bit better.


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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby iiifly » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:37 pm

Sorry - I didn't realize it was "good" - I couldn't find any info on the scale in the pdf on the site. It just seemed there was a lot of room between 119 and 150. On the LSAT, that kind of gap wouldn't fly with you people.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Gamecubesupreme » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:53 pm

iiifly wrote:Sorry - I didn't realize it was "good" - I couldn't find any info on the scale in the pdf on the site. It just seemed there was a lot of room between 119 and 150. On the LSAT, that kind of gap wouldn't fly with you people.


That's because an 85 and a 150 are essentially he same thing.

Completely different story for the LSAT.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby jessuf » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:57 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:Posts like this demonstrate why law students are the worst to hang out with.

The fact that people only pop into this thread to post their scores says a lot about law students, I think.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby rad lulz » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:23 am

iiifly wrote:Sorry - I didn't realize it was "good" - I couldn't find any info on the scale in the pdf on the site. It just seemed there was a lot of room between 119 and 150. On the LSAT, that kind of gap wouldn't fly with you people.

Duders there are no good or bad MPRE scores

There is only pass and fail

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby brose » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:00 am

rad lulz wrote:
There is only pass and fail


Yes. Thank you.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby Korematsu » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:10 pm

I got an 89.

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Re: LOL MPRE

Postby courtneylove » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:00 pm

80 in march with two hours of studying, 81 in august with a week of kaplan + two practice tests, pretty mad right now. :evil: i signed up for barbri for the november test. hard to be optimistic about my bar results after all this aggravation but at least i really studied for that exam.




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