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Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:03 pm**

Do a bunch of practice questions. The BarBri practice tests seemed to have prepared me well -- I studied for like four hours on Friday by taking two tests and reviewing what I got wrong. That's the easiest way to learn the rules, at least for me. I passed easily.

The above is exactly correct: you almost never choose the answer that seems "best" or most moral because it is likely impracticable. Narrow down to two, and then choose the less idealistic if you aren't sure.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:10 pm**

Stop seriously trying to implement the JOKE strategy of picking the second most ethical choice. That's a recipe for failure. Just do a bunch of practice questions to learn the rules.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:31 pm**

Desert Fox wrote:Stop seriously trying to implement the JOKE strategy of picking the second most ethical choice. That's a recipe for failure. Just do a bunch of practice questions to learn the rules.

TCR. I don't remember many questions even presenting you with a variety of actions, some "more ethical" than others. Often it hinges on why lawyer X can or can't do something. Just learn the rules.

I got the BarBri book, put in about 8-10 hours, and did fine.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:37 pm**

BarBri has a practice question app that works really well and is free.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:02 pm**

Desert Fox wrote:Stop seriously trying to implement the JOKE strategy of picking the second most ethical choice. That's a recipe for failure. Just do a bunch of practice questions to learn the rules.

It's not a joke, and if you'll notice, I only recommended the strategy if you are down to 2 and really don't know. Maybe I'm amoral or something, but it worked pretty well for me, and I definitely did not crush ProRes.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 pm**

oops. Double post.

Of course, I may be remembering it totally wrong after doing my best to empty my brain for the bar.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:19 pm**

prezidentv8 wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:This better be as easy as everyone says because I basically have just watched the Barbri video and followed along with the handout. 5 hours of studying max.
went out hte night before, listened to half of chemerinsky's lecture in the car on the way to the test, passed all jurisdictions. had taken ethics class the year before. it was easy but the ethics class knowledge came in handy. if you haven't taken PR you might fail if you only study for 1 hour. if you (actually) study for 3, you will pass regardless.

also agree about ITT advice: it's actually quite easy to fail if you try to use common sense. it's all about rule application, and they write the Qs so common sense leads to the wrong answer usually. but if you even vaguely remember the few k PR rules, u will see thru the tricks easily even if half asleep.

I was told: "Jesus minus one" is the credited strategy.

Mine was "watch the lecture and do 2 practice tests"

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:51 pm**

jkay wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Stop seriously trying to implement the JOKE strategy of picking the second most ethical choice. That's a recipe for failure. Just do a bunch of practice questions to learn the rules.
It's not a joke, and if you'll notice, I only recommended the strategy if you are down to 2 and really don't know. Maybe I'm amoral or something, but it worked pretty well for me, and I definitely did not crush ProRes.

Yes, you're probably amoral. I think that explains everything.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:23 pm**

rad lulz wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:This better be as easy as everyone says because I basically have just watched the Barbri video and followed along with the handout. 5 hours of studying max.
went out hte night before, listened to half of chemerinsky's lecture in the car on the way to the test, passed all jurisdictions. had taken ethics class the year before. it was easy but the ethics class knowledge came in handy. if you haven't taken PR you might fail if you only study for 1 hour. if you (actually) study for 3, you will pass regardless.

also agree about ITT advice: it's actually quite easy to fail if you try to use common sense. it's all about rule application, and they write the Qs so common sense leads to the wrong answer usually. but if you even vaguely remember the few k PR rules, u will see thru the tricks easily even if half asleep.

I was told: "Jesus minus one" is the credited strategy.
Mine was "watch the lecture and do 2 practice tests"

This. My approach and got a 118

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:34 pm**

usuaggie wrote:
rad lulz wrote: Mine was "watch the lecture and do 2 practice tests"
This. My approach and got a 118

This also, but I only scored around 100.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:55 pm**

I think I browsed one test and mainly just did the BarBri study app. I got a 100 and begrudged every point over 87 as wasted time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:00 am**

roofles wrote:
usuaggie wrote:
rad lulz wrote: Mine was "watch the lecture and do 2 practice tests"
This. My approach and got a 118
This also, but I only scored around 100.

"Only?"

Duder that's passin in every jx

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:33 pm**

Kaplan's MPRE prep is horrendous and actually convinced me to go with Barbri for bar prep. But then again, I still managed to pass with about 4 hours total of studying (watching the Kaplan lecture and doing some practice questions). My score was something like 2 points higher than the minimum I needed in my state. Feels good man, when it comes to minimum competency tests, every point you score above the minimum just makes me feel like I wasted my time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:20 pm**

deadlinguo wrote:Kaplan's MPRE prep is horrendous and actually convinced me to go with Barbri for bar prep. But then again, I still managed to pass with about 4 hours total of studying (watching the Kaplan lecture and doing some practice questions). My score was something like 2 points higher than the minimum I needed in my state. Feels good man, when it comes to minimum competency tests, every point you score above the minimum just makes me feel like I wasted my time.

Gonna confirm the Kaplan sucking part for all the Anons/guests. The BARBRI practice questions (use the phone app, just like kalvano says, it is awesome) are significantly longer and more realistic... Kaplan had way too many 1-2 sentence prompts with simple answers.

That said, I plan to watch BARBRI video in full, take a few PTs, but otherwise chill and get OT at my jerb this week and next week.

Best of luck to other takers.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:40 pm**

I downloaded the phone app, but I don't see where the MPRE questions are.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:29 pm**

If you're fairly bright you can just wing that shit. Plenty of folks don't study and pass 1st time. If you need to pass b/c of the timing with the bar and whatnot, then study for 5 hours and you'll pass.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:37 pm**

checking in.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:01 pm**

after reading some of this thread, i'm gonna listen to the barbri lecture, take the barbri PTs, and hope that's enough.

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:50 pm**

can anyone explain the situations where there is a conflict and a lawyer either can or cannot be screened out. I know they can be screened out if they go from gov work to private practice or judge to private practice but can they be screened out if they move from one firm to another? what are the situations where you definitely cannot be screened out? I can't seem to find a definite list

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:59 pm**

rawrab wrote:can anyone explain the situations where there is a conflict and a lawyer either can or cannot be screened out. I know they can be screened out if they go from gov work to private practice or judge to private practice but can they be screened out if they move from one firm to another? what are the situations where you definitely cannot be screened out? I can't seem to find a definite list

No. Guess C and move on.

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:07 pm**

Bikeflip wrote:
rawrab wrote:can anyone explain the situations where there is a conflict and a lawyer either can or cannot be screened out. I know they can be screened out if they go from gov work to private practice or judge to private practice but can they be screened out if they move from one firm to another? what are the situations where you definitely cannot be screened out? I can't seem to find a definite list

No. Guess C and move on.

I wouldn't give a shit except for the fact that I missed my states cut off by 1 point in April

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:59 pm**

rawrab wrote:
Bikeflip wrote:
rawrab wrote:can anyone explain the situations where there is a conflict and a lawyer either can or cannot be screened out. I know they can be screened out if they go from gov work to private practice or judge to private practice but can they be screened out if they move from one firm to another? what are the situations where you definitely cannot be screened out? I can't seem to find a definite list

No. Guess C and move on.
I wouldn't give a shit except for the fact that I missed my states cut off by 1 point in April

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... ients.html

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... rules.html

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... ients.html

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... _rule.html

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... oyees.html

Posted: **Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:31 pm**

GENERAL HYPO: Client has a legit and unquestionably ethical agmt w/you. You guys lose at trial. Client is PO'd, wants to appeal w/new counsel. Client owes you fees.

Kaplan: You can take out a retaining lien in your non-paying client's file, this is an area that can be regulated by state law.

BARBRI: Must give client the files, bring an action for fees if needed.

.. well shit. Do you bros advice a solid GUESS and move on? Or did I completely miss something.

Posted: **Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:08 am**

The right answer on the MPRE is going to be that the client owns the files and they must be surrendered on client's request.

Posted: **Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:44 pm**

Glock wrote:The right answer on the MPRE is going to be that the client owns the files and they must be surrendered on client's request.

This

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