Hardest classes in law school?

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby delusional » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:48 pm

Oban wrote:There are no hard or easy classes in law school, thanks to the curve. There are merely classes with good or bad professors and lots/little of competition.
this

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby aces » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:18 pm

Right, but there are classes where it requires more effort to get a median grade. This is often due to gunners, but other factors should weigh in-- I try and avoid classes with closed-book exams or extreme socratic method (as opposed to the panel system or only calling on volunteers), for instance.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby patrickd139 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:20 pm

3|ink wrote:
iShotFirst wrote:
bball25 wrote:Whatever class has the most gunners in it.


Only answer that applies across all schools, professors, etc

Yep. I put more effort into my Tax I class last semester than any other class and was still median pwned in it. Tons of gunning fools.

Who the hell guns a tax class?

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby BuckinghamB » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:48 am

I thought upper level classes weren't curved? Or is it only the small classes?

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby 5ky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:13 am

BuckinghamB wrote:I thought upper level classes weren't curved? Or is it only the small classes?


Depends on the school. UVA keeps all of its classes to the same curve 1L through 3L, although they've made minor tweaks now for slight median bumps.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby keg411 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:38 am

Tax and Commercial Paper (and the latter is also completely useless). Secured Transactions and SecReg are hard too.

I wouldn't touch FedCourts or Admin with a 10 foot pole, so I have no clue if they're hard or just gunner-tastic.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby DreamShake » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:02 pm

Haven't taken either of these yet, but from what I hear...

Partnership tax--most conceptually difficult/densest material
Fed courts--hardest curve

Also agree with poster who said corporations is boring as hell. LBO's and such are fun to learn about, but they're not the core of the class...and about 1/2 my corporate tax class is on law review. I dunno why tax attracts so many gunners--most people don't find it terribly interesting, and it has zero relevance to litigators-to-be, which should eliminate a large % of gunners.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby 3|ink » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:15 am

patrickd139 wrote:
3|ink wrote:
iShotFirst wrote:
bball25 wrote:Whatever class has the most gunners in it.


Only answer that applies across all schools, professors, etc

Yep. I put more effort into my Tax I class last semester than any other class and was still median pwned in it. Tons of gunning fools.

Who the hell guns a tax class?

Easy content = hard curve. I missed 4 points out of 60 between two midterms and I only had a B+ coming into the midterm.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby notedgarfigaro » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:52 am

yeah, the jump between fed tax and corp tax is insane. Fed tax was pretty straight forward for the most part. Corp tax is the first lawschool class that conceptually I have no clue what's going on. Is passthrough/partnership tax really worse?

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:14 pm

notedgarfigaro wrote:yeah, the jump between fed tax and corp tax is insane. Fed tax was pretty straight forward for the most part. Corp tax is the first lawschool class that conceptually I have no clue what's going on. Is passthrough/partnership tax really worse?


Yep, although the gap between corporate/partnership tax is less severe than the one from fed/corporate tax. Pship tax is like learning a foreign language in three months (or three weeks if you procrastinate like me) with the expectation of fluency at the end.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Clemson772 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:44 am

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby blong4133 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:58 am

For me it was either Con law or civ pro. I'm not sure if it's because of the class or because of the professor. He's an absolute wind bag that would write the craziest questions. Not to mention multiple page-long, single spaced fact patterns (some longer than a page) with one question following it etc.

The con law final, he actually said he was going to move more toward brevity the day before the exam. I get the test, they tell us to start, and bam. First question's fact pattern is a page and a half long.

I went through Secured Transactions as well thinking it was the most difficult course I had taken. I read mastering secured transactions a couple of days before the final and ended up getting the 2nd highest grade. Still don't know how I pulled that one off.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby LazinessPerSe » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:28 pm

Fed Courts - ConLaw on crack

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Dato » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:03 am

Reviving this one ... when do most "gunners" take Fed Courts? I'm looking at signing up for my 2L year and I'm thinking about taking it my first semester. It's offered both fall and spring and I'm wondering which would be the most strategic choice.

Aside from that I'm looking at Appellate Ad, Evidence, and Remedies.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:19 am

Is it curved? You will doubtless be in the class with a lot of 3L gunners who have federal clerkships.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby memo2partner » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:32 am

bankruptcy was pretty hard

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Dato » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:37 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Is it curved? You will doubtless be in the class with a lot of 3L gunners who have federal clerkships.


yeah it's curved. my question is ... would it be better to take it fall or spring of my 2L year?

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Ness Lee » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:52 am

Dato wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Is it curved? You will doubtless be in the class with a lot of 3L gunners who have federal clerkships.


yeah it's curved. my question is ... would it be better to take it fall or spring of my 2L year?


Doesn't matter, you'll run into the 3L fed clerkship gunners anyway.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby 5ky » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:48 am

Dato wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Is it curved? You will doubtless be in the class with a lot of 3L gunners who have federal clerkships.


yeah it's curved. my question is ... would it be better to take it fall or spring of my 2L year?


you should take it 3L instead in case you fuck it up

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:25 pm

Ness Lee wrote:
Dato wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Is it curved? You will doubtless be in the class with a lot of 3L gunners who have federal clerkships.


yeah it's curved. my question is ... would it be better to take it fall or spring of my 2L year?


Doesn't matter, you'll run into the 3L fed clerkship gunners anyway.


I actually think it might matter, for a few reasons:

(1) At my school at least, many people regarded 2L fall as the toughest semester of law school. You're likely getting more heavily involved with journal work, plus you have to adjust to being in classes with 3Ls, some of whom are still gunning and will have one more year of law school experience to bring to bear on exams. You may also have to do some job searching during 2L fall, depending on your career path. Many people I know had their worst semester, grade-wise, in 2L fall.

(2) By spring, it's more likely that more of the gunners will have clerkships (especially 3Ls). For some, this means they might scale back the gunning a bit.

(3) If you use your fall semester to take something like Remedies or Admin that has overlap with Fed Courts, you'll be a little more familiar with some of the doctrine going in.

These points aren't going to make a huge difference, but I think they're worth considering. I think it's best to wait until 3L, but if you're going to do it 2L, I say do it during 2L Spring.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby KelviNorin » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:49 pm

I agree Mehn..philosophy can b 1 hell of a hole with a disenchanted lecturer

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby Londonbear » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:58 am

Am in Bankruptcy and Corp Tax this semester. Bankruptcy is kind of interesting though - some of the cases are hilarious. Corp tax by FAR has the most gunners. I don't know. Completely miserable in that class.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby rcharter1978 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:36 am

3|ink wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
3|ink wrote:
iShotFirst wrote:
bball25 wrote:Whatever class has the most gunners in it.


Only answer that applies across all schools, professors, etc

Yep. I put more effort into my Tax I class last semester than any other class and was still median pwned in it. Tons of gunning fools.

Who the hell guns a tax class?

Easy content = hard curve. I missed 4 points out of 60 between two midterms and I only had a B+ coming into the midterm.


true....I feel like classes with easy content go to the people who just know how to write the best because everyone understands the subject matter.

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:51 am

it depends on the prof but there are a handful that are reliably "substantive" and difficult:

Corporations is tough
Antitrust can be really tough
Fed Court is a ton of complex material and tends to be gunner heavy
Courses like Evidence and Securities Reg can be challenging on the curve and if the professor goes deep

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Re: Hardest classes in law school?

Postby GreatBraffsby » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:13 am

BuckinghamB wrote:I thought upper level classes weren't curved? Or is it only the small classes?


The school I will be attending uses a weird curve for upper level courses. The registrar takes into account the existing GPAs of the students in each course and uses that to set the recommended curve. So if a bunch of 3.66 students are in the class, the median grade should be an A-. I'm not sure how much this helps or hurts, but it's interesting. At least you know if your class is full of gunners/geniuses, you won't be totally screwed.




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