OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby jgc02a » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:27 pm

swimmer11 wrote:Is counteranalysis for torts: intentional torts/privileges negligence/defenses?
For crim law: crime/mitigation/defenses?

Better question: How are you guys handling counteranalysis in your practice exams?



crim law. **follow this on all your crim law murder hypos...works like a charm. discuss in the order listed here. only discuss degrees of murder after you have gone through possible justifications, excuses, and mitigations.

1. Murder. homicide + malice aforethought.
2. Homicide.
3. Malice aforethought.
4.Justifications (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. self defense/defense others
b. apprehension of a fleeing crim
5.Excuses (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. too young
b. insane
c. involuntary intoxication
6. Mitigations (crime of muder is mitigated to voluntary manslaughter)
a. provocation
b. imperfect self defense
c. coercion/necessity
7. First degree murder
a. premedittaion
b. deliberation.

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby swimmer11 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:36 pm

jgc02a wrote:
swimmer11 wrote:Is counteranalysis for torts: intentional torts/privileges negligence/defenses?
For crim law: crime/mitigation/defenses?

Better question: How are you guys handling counteranalysis in your practice exams?



crim law. **follow this on all your crim law murder hypos...works like a charm. discuss in the order listed here. only discuss degrees of murder after you have gone through possible justifications, excuses, and mitigations.

1. Murder. homicide + malice aforethought.
2. Homicide.
3. Malice aforethought.
4.Justifications (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. self defense/defense others
b. apprehension of a fleeing crim
5.Excuses (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. too young
b. insane
c. involuntary intoxication
6. Mitigations (crime of muder is mitigated to voluntary manslaughter)
a. provocation
b. imperfect self defense
c. coercion/necessity
7. First degree murder
a. premedittaion
b. deliberation.


That looks good. Is the credited way to make a criminal law one page checklist?

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Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:58 pm

Dude I am so sad I missed like 20 pages of this thread.

Y'all are awesome. I'm going to adopt the CSWS motto too :mrgreen:

Question: how have y'all been internalizing the things you learn from PTs? Like, if you realize you missed an issue/didn't cover it properly, what do you do to ensure that you don't make the same mistake again?

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Postby Robert Paulson » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:23 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:Dude I am so sad I missed like 20 pages of this thread.

Y'all are awesome. I'm going to adopt the CSWS motto too :mrgreen:

Question: how have y'all been internalizing the things you learn from PTs? Like, if you realize you missed an issue/didn't cover it properly, what do you do to ensure that you don't make the same mistake again?


I am just making a list of issues that I missed and adding it to my attack outline. Also, I think writing about the issue you missed would be a good idea too (kind of like a treatise).

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Postby minnbills » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:36 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:Dude I am so sad I missed like 20 pages of this thread.

Y'all are awesome. I'm going to adopt the CSWS motto too :mrgreen:

Question: how have y'all been internalizing the things you learn from PTs? Like, if you realize you missed an issue/didn't cover it properly, what do you do to ensure that you don't make the same mistake again?


How many PTs have you taken?

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Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:42 pm

minnbills wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:Dude I am so sad I missed like 20 pages of this thread.

Y'all are awesome. I'm going to adopt the CSWS motto too :mrgreen:

Question: how have y'all been internalizing the things you learn from PTs? Like, if you realize you missed an issue/didn't cover it properly, what do you do to ensure that you don't make the same mistake again?


How many PTs have you taken?

Just two so far, but finals don't start for another 2 weeks.

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Postby minnbills » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:06 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:Just two so far, but finals don't start for another 2 weeks.


My first exam is on the 12th. Only one PT so far. Must. Gun. Harder.

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby jgc02a » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:21 pm

swimmer11 wrote:
jgc02a wrote:
swimmer11 wrote:Is counteranalysis for torts: intentional torts/privileges negligence/defenses?
For crim law: crime/mitigation/defenses?

Better question: How are you guys handling counteranalysis in your practice exams?





crim law. **follow this on all your crim law murder hypos...works like a charm. discuss in the order listed here. only discuss degrees of murder after you have gone through possible justifications, excuses, and mitigations.

1. Murder. homicide + malice aforethought.
2. Homicide.
3. Malice aforethought.
4.Justifications (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. self defense/defense others
b. apprehension of a fleeing crim
5.Excuses (crime of murder is reduced to no crime)
a. too young
b. insane
c. involuntary intoxication
6. Mitigations (crime of muder is mitigated to voluntary manslaughter)
a. provocation
b. imperfect self defense
c. coercion/necessity
7. First degree murder
a. premedittaion
b. deliberation.


That looks good. Is the credited way to make a criminal law one page checklist?



Hmm one page checklist, maybe...I'd have to work on it! Generally, murder is the biggest/longest issue on the exam, so that's why I use this. If you've memorized your outline, you could probably just get by with this template.

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Postby Nova » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:59 pm

Yall still working out??

I am down from 3 days a week to about 1 :(

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Postby Birdnals » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:04 pm

I have conceded myself to 2 days a week, trophy muscle day and legs day. More for stress relief than any real fitness.

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Postby swimmer11 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:06 pm

Bros I feel great. Loving the grind. Loving the company.

I have taken 1 torts exam, 3 criminal law exams, and 2 contracts exams so far with an insane amount of short answer and hypos.

JUST GOTTA KEEP GRINDING.

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Postby Raiden » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:08 pm

This thread grows without even adding any water, neato.

To answer a previous question, I was getting my K MC's from Q&A.

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Postby minnbills » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:09 pm

Nova wrote:Yall still working out??

I am down from 3 days a week to about 1 :(


I haven't done any real exercise in a few weeks. My legs have all these weird aches now from being glued to a seat. Ugh.

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Postby SportsFan » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:19 pm

LSL wrote:Today has been draining because of all the negativity from fellow classmates. The common complaints:

"God, I hate the way the professor taught this..."

"Everyone is so fucking stupid and they waste time asking (what I personally perceive to be) stupid questions"

"We were never told what to do about thing A or thing B"

"Why do the profs even assign reading so close to exams, we have shit to learn!"



Brothers and sisters, we are above this shit. CSWS. Rise above the negativity and keep your eye on the prize. If someone starts complaining, you start walking. If you're in class, start looking at your computer. Whether our classmates are playing head games trying to psyche you out with this or just genuinely panicked, keep it drama free. We will beat the law exams, and we will beat law school.

CSWS!!!

People in my section still haven't caught onto the idea that when a professor teaches 2 competing rules for the same situation (mostly in torts, but in contracts as well), you should probably analyze the hypo on the exam using both of them...

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Postby brotherdarkness » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:34 pm

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Postby Raiden » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:58 pm

I've been trying to work out every other day, helps out with learning through out the day, I think.

I'd plan for a light work out before the exams. Go big or go home boys and girls, we can at least pretend we are like Rocky.

Outline. Big set of stairs. Profit.

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Postby swimmer11 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:02 pm

minnbills wrote:
Nova wrote:Yall still working out??

I am down from 3 days a week to about 1 :(


I haven't done any real exercise in a few weeks. My legs have all these weird aches now from being glued to a seat. Ugh.


I have found the same weird aches with my legs as well :/

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Postby gaud » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:13 pm

Nova wrote:Yall still working out??

I am down from 3 days a week to about 1 :(


No bueno. I'm at 4 days right now. Get back to 3!

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Postby Maximized » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:15 pm

Nova wrote:Yall still working out??

I am down from 3 days a week to about 1 :(

2 days on, 1 day off, because it's time to get down to work. Hitting legs tonight - because no matter what happens on the exam, I'll always be one of the only people in the school who's not afraid to get under the bar for some squatz. :)

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Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:32 pm

I'm thinking that for some of the issues in Civ Pro (Jurisdiction), Contracts (Damages), and other classes that I know I'll get a hypo on in the exam that I might create a checklist/model answer outline to use. What are people's thoughts about this?

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:51 pm

Feeling good guys. Obviously, a little nervous.

Remaining schedule:

. 1/2 done with 1-page attack outlines.
. 50 more short answer hypos
. 10-12 Siegel medium-length hypos per class
. ~100 multiple choice for my multiple choice exams
. 4-5 exams per class
. Type out short outlines ~10 times each

Then I think I'm good. Tests are in 2 weeks! Lesgo!

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Postby gaud » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:54 pm

Feelin notsogood and hella nervous.

After today, I'll have:

- 1 more attack outline
- 5-6 tests per class
- tons of hypos :?
- tons of MC :|

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:00 am

Oh, and someone tell me if my negligence set up is acceptable:

A v. B

1) Define negligence + elements
2) Duty owed: Cardozo/Andrews or landowner duty
3) Standard of care: Reasonable person or higher standard of care
4) Breach: Reasonable person test, BPL (trying to avoid this), res ipsa, negligence per se
5) Causation: Actual - But for/substantial factor, Proximate causation - Cardozo/Andrews/superseding events
6) Harm: Did not do damages in my class. Just need to list injury.

*Defenses to bar recovery/reduce damages: Contributory negligence defenses, comparative negligence defenses

Having trouble figuring out where to put defenses. Is it better to argue at the end or within breach?

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Postby Benjamin1987 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:28 am

LetsGoLAW wrote:Oh, and someone tell me if my negligence set up is acceptable:

A v. B

1) Define negligence + elements
2) Duty owed: Cardozo/Andrews or landowner duty
3) Standard of care: Reasonable person or higher standard of care
4) Breach: Reasonable person test, BPL (trying to avoid this), res ipsa, negligence per se
5) Causation: Actual - But for/substantial factor, Proximate causation - Cardozo/Andrews/superseding events
6) Harm: Did not do damages in my class. Just need to list injury.

*Defenses to bar recovery/reduce damages: Contributory negligence defenses, comparative negligence defenses

Having trouble figuring out where to put defenses. Is it better to argue at the end or within breach?


Feedback is a gift. I'll offer some analysis (all predicated on your class being similar to mine):

#2/#3: Even for an attack outline I wouldn't be comfortable with this less of simplification. Throw together some acronyms for those nuanced duties and standards of care for quick memory recall.
#4: Don't forget about customs, Res Ipsa, and evidence of breach (actual/constructive/business practice rule). Also, I'm interested to know what you mean by "trying to avoid this" for BPL. BPL is a very straightforward concept. This is basic negligence analysis 101. When in doubt, BPL. You need to attack your weaknesses, don't shy away from them. My prof. loves it, I'll PM supplments he's provided on it if you'd like.
#5: A great layer analysis for Causation: 1) unexpected harm - yes; 2) unexpected manner - yes (unless very unforeseeable than superseding); 3) unexpected type - no; 4) unexpected victim - no. Wagon mound 1 is the closest approx. if you studied that case.
Defenses: Best approach is to talk about these issue by issue, and then at the end as well. Don't want to miss anything.

Max out those check marks. Hope this helps. Good luck!

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby LetsGoLAW » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:39 am

Benjamin1987 wrote:
LetsGoLAW wrote:Oh, and someone tell me if my negligence set up is acceptable:

A v. B

1) Define negligence + elements
2) Duty owed: Cardozo/Andrews or landowner duty
3) Standard of care: Reasonable person or higher standard of care
4) Breach: Reasonable person test, BPL (trying to avoid this), res ipsa, negligence per se
5) Causation: Actual - But for/substantial factor, Proximate causation - Cardozo/Andrews/superseding events
6) Harm: Did not do damages in my class. Just need to list injury.

*Defenses to bar recovery/reduce damages: Contributory negligence defenses, comparative negligence defenses

Having trouble figuring out where to put defenses. Is it better to argue at the end or within breach?


Feedback is a gift. I'll offer some analysis (all predicated on your class being similar to mine):

#2/#3: Even for an attack outline I wouldn't be comfortable with this less of simplification. Throw together some acronyms for those nuanced duties and standards of care for quick memory recall.
#4: Don't forget about customs, Res Ipsa, and evidence of breach (actual/constructive/business practice rule). Also, I'm interested to know what you mean by "trying to avoid this" for BPL. BPL is a very straightforward concept. This is basic negligence analysis 101. When in doubt, BPL. You need to attack your weaknesses, don't shy away from them. My prof. loves it, I'll PM supplments he's provided on it if you'd like.
#5: A great layer analysis for Causation: 1) unexpected harm - yes; 2) unexpected manner - yes (unless very unforeseeable than superseding); 3) unexpected type - no; 4) unexpected victim - no. Wagon mound 1 is the closest approx. if you studied that case.
Defenses: Best approach is to talk about these issue by issue, and then at the end as well. Don't want to miss anything.

Max out those check marks. Hope this helps. Good luck!


Thanks. My professor does not like BPL, so I am avoiding it. PMed.




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