OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby thelong » Sat May 11, 2013 9:54 pm

First final is on monday. Fuck everything. It seems like we're at the end of the LS exam season and everyone is out being a person already.

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Postby Pleasye » Sat May 11, 2013 9:56 pm

thelong wrote:First final is on monday. Fuck everything. It seems like we're at the end of the LS exam season and everyone is out being a person already.

:shock:

Sorry bro that sucks.

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Postby JG7773 » Sat May 11, 2013 10:09 pm

One final to go! (Finally came out of self-imposed exile!)

Closed book Con Law with a professor that wants every case memorized is all that stands in between me and the end of the year.

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat May 11, 2013 10:11 pm

thelong wrote:First final is on monday. Fuck everything. It seems like we're at the end of the LS exam season and everyone is out being a person already.

bring your flask to the corps final

ETA: unless that's illegal - in that case,
1) I have a locker
2) take the final - fast and deep
3) ...
4) swim in Washsq fountain
5) profit

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby smaug_ » Sun May 12, 2013 4:15 am

Bronck wrote:Prop on Tuesday, 3d exam.

In your guys' experience, were people really starting to get burnt out by exam #3? having trouble, myself, to get the motivation to do work... and i hope others are too


You got this dude. Don't check out yet. If you get bored of property switch to Con Law. The fact that other people are checking out should provide more motivation to dig in.

(And no, I wasn't studying until 4. Exams do strange things to my sleep schedule. I'm glad I have Property in the afternoon.)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun May 12, 2013 1:50 pm

Question:
AB and C conspire to murder D. A and B know the deal is to kill D. C think's they're just beating him up. What's B's liability under Pinkerton and under NY law?

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Postby thelong » Sun May 12, 2013 2:42 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:Question:
AB and C conspire to murder D. A and B know the deal is to kill D. C think's they're just beating him up. What's B's liability under Pinkerton and under NY law?


B is liable for the crime of conspiracy and for murder, as is A. Also, I think you could argue under Pinkerton that the murder was reasonably foreseeable in a conspiracy to assault and it could be (fork) in furtherance as the goal of the conspiracy so C could be liable for both conspiracy and for murder . Under Bridges you have an even stronger case against A, B and C as it was probably foreseeable. C doesn't need to be fully aware of the intent of all members, all the crimes that are planned or even who all is in on the conspiracy. In this problem you'd also want to argue the policy point that C would not have directly had the requisite Mens Rea to commit murder outside of the conspiracy, and probably wouldn't have MPC Parity via accomplice liability if his purpose wasn't murder.

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun May 12, 2013 2:45 pm

thelong wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:Question:
AB and C conspire to murder D. A and B know the deal is to kill D. C think's they're just beating him up. What's B's liability under Pinkerton and under NY law?


B is liable for the crime of conspiracy and for murder, as is A. Also, I think you could argue under Pinkerton that the murder was reasonably foreseeable in a conspiracy to assault and it could be (fork) in furtherance as the goal of the conspiracy so C could be liable for both conspiracy and for murder . Under Bridges you have an even stronger case against A, B and C as it was probably foreseeable. C doesn't need to be fully aware of the intent of all members, all the crimes that are planned or even who all is in on the conspiracy. In this problem you'd also want to argue the policy point that C would not have directly had the requisite Mens Rea to commit murder outside of the conspiracy, and probably wouldn't have MPC Parity via accomplice liability if his purpose wasn't murder.

yeah, my thought was Pinkerton in CA gets everyone, NY (1 man conspiracy) combined with mistake of fact gets him as accessory to attempted assault and not likely for accessory to murder (causal significance is there but mens rea isn't equivalent)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby thelong » Sun May 12, 2013 2:50 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
thelong wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:Question:
AB and C conspire to murder D. A and B know the deal is to kill D. C think's they're just beating him up. What's B's liability under Pinkerton and under NY law?


B is liable for the crime of conspiracy and for murder, as is A. Also, I think you could argue under Pinkerton that the murder was reasonably foreseeable in a conspiracy to assault and it could be (fork) in furtherance as the goal of the conspiracy so C could be liable for both conspiracy and for murder . Under Bridges you have an even stronger case against A, B and C as it was probably foreseeable. C doesn't need to be fully aware of the intent of all members, all the crimes that are planned or even who all is in on the conspiracy. In this problem you'd also want to argue the policy point that C would not have directly had the requisite Mens Rea to commit murder outside of the conspiracy, and probably wouldn't have MPC Parity via accomplice liability if his purpose wasn't murder.

yeah, my thought was Pinkerton in CA gets everyone, NY (1 man conspiracy) combined with mistake of fact gets him as accessory to attempted assault and not likely for accessory to murder (causal significance is there but mens rea isn't equivalent)


Yeah, we didn't go over the NY theory, so I'm not going to hazard anything on that one, haha. We just went through Pinkerton, Bridges and MPC. You'd obviously have a hard time getting C directly under MPC conspiracy because you'd have to share the criminal purpose. But it's definitely prime exam-fodder.

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Postby JamMasterJ » Sun May 12, 2013 2:57 pm

thelong wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:
thelong wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:Question:
AB and C conspire to murder D. A and B know the deal is to kill D. C think's they're just beating him up. What's B's liability under Pinkerton and under NY law?


B is liable for the crime of conspiracy and for murder, as is A. Also, I think you could argue under Pinkerton that the murder was reasonably foreseeable in a conspiracy to assault and it could be (fork) in furtherance as the goal of the conspiracy so C could be liable for both conspiracy and for murder . Under Bridges you have an even stronger case against A, B and C as it was probably foreseeable. C doesn't need to be fully aware of the intent of all members, all the crimes that are planned or even who all is in on the conspiracy. In this problem you'd also want to argue the policy point that C would not have directly had the requisite Mens Rea to commit murder outside of the conspiracy, and probably wouldn't have MPC Parity via accomplice liability if his purpose wasn't murder.

yeah, my thought was Pinkerton in CA gets everyone, NY (1 man conspiracy) combined with mistake of fact gets him as accessory to attempted assault and not likely for accessory to murder (causal significance is there but mens rea isn't equivalent)


Yeah, we didn't go over the NY theory, so I'm not going to hazard anything on that one, haha. We just went through Pinkerton, Bridges and MPC. You'd obviously have a hard time getting C directly under MPC conspiracy because you'd have to share the criminal purpose. But it's definitely prime exam-fodder.

ours is just compare NY/CA - good luck tomorrow

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Postby thelong » Sun May 12, 2013 3:00 pm

Thanks man, you too. Want to come yell at the pigeons in the park afterwards?

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Postby JamMasterJ » Sun May 12, 2013 3:19 pm

thelong wrote:Thanks man, you too. Want to come yell at the pigeons in the park afterwards?

mine's a take-home. Might go pick things up and put them down for a while around 5 though

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Bronck » Sun May 12, 2013 4:42 pm

hibiki wrote:
Bronck wrote:Prop on Tuesday, 3d exam.

In your guys' experience, were people really starting to get burnt out by exam #3? having trouble, myself, to get the motivation to do work... and i hope others are too


You got this dude. Don't check out yet. If you get bored of property switch to Con Law. The fact that other people are checking out should provide more motivation to dig in.

(And no, I wasn't studying until 4. Exams do strange things to my sleep schedule. I'm glad I have Property in the afternoon.)


Yeaaahhh, I really need to find a way to motivate myself. I had a good run later at night, but woke up about an hour ago and feel so bleh

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Postby Ded Precedent » Sun May 12, 2013 4:52 pm

Bronck wrote:Yeaaahhh, I really need to find a way to motivate myself. I had a good run later at night, but woke up about an hour ago and feel so bleh

Keep on keepin on breh.

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Postby stillwater » Sun May 12, 2013 4:57 pm

Write-on competition sucks.

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Postby Ded Precedent » Sun May 12, 2013 5:06 pm

stillwater wrote:Write-on competition sucks.

I haven't even looked at it. How long do you guys have to submit?

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Postby crumpetsandtea » Sun May 12, 2013 5:10 pm

stillwater wrote:Write-on competition sucks.

Seriouslyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. God someone kill me, I'm not writing onto LR anyway. JUST KILL ME. :cry:

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Postby Danger Zone » Sun May 12, 2013 5:21 pm

Ded Precedent wrote:
stillwater wrote:Write-on competition sucks.

I haven't even looked at it. How long do you guys have to submit?

Me neither. I don't even know when the due date is :lol: I'll get around to it...

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Postby gaud » Sun May 12, 2013 5:24 pm

Ded Precedent wrote:
stillwater wrote:Write-on competition sucks.

I haven't even looked at it. How long do you guys have to submit?


Ours was 30-something hours.

Started Thursday AM and went until Friday at 5.

It was terrible

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Postby stillwater » Sun May 12, 2013 5:25 pm

gaud wrote:
Ded Precedent wrote:
stillwater wrote:Write-on competition sucks.

I haven't even looked at it. How long do you guys have to submit?


Ours was 30-something hours.

Started Thursday AM and went until Friday at 5.

It was terrible


ours is a week. im 2 days into it. started picking at the citations. looking at 300 pages is not fun to write some memo bullshit.

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Postby Pleasye » Sun May 12, 2013 5:29 pm

gaud wrote:Ours was 30-something hours.

Started Thursday AM and went until Friday at 5.

It was terrible

I really really really wish that ours was something like this. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that someone wants to change our 10-day competition to a 30 hour one. That can totally happen by Thursday right?

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Postby gaud » Sun May 12, 2013 5:36 pm

Pleasye wrote:
gaud wrote:Ours was 30-something hours.

Started Thursday AM and went until Friday at 5.

It was terrible

I really really really wish that ours was something like this. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that someone wants to change our 10-day competition to a 30 hour one. That can totally happen by Thursday right?


Totally.

10 days is soo long... I'm sorry :(

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Postby gaud » Sun May 12, 2013 5:37 pm

stillwater wrote:ours is a week. im 2 days into it. started picking at the citations. looking at 300 pages is not fun to write some memo bullshit.


300 pages? Holy cow. We had like ~100

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Postby dannynoonan87 » Sun May 12, 2013 5:56 pm

been a while since I checked in. I hope everyone survived or is surviving.

good luck with any remaining finals and write-on everybody.

::sends good vibes::

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby crumpetsandtea » Sun May 12, 2013 6:00 pm

Pleasye wrote:
gaud wrote:Ours was 30-something hours.

Started Thursday AM and went until Friday at 5.

It was terrible

I really really really wish that ours was something like this. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that someone wants to change our 10-day competition to a 30 hour one. That can totally happen by Thursday right?

Seriously. Ours was only 6 days but my god. Just. Hundreds of pages about the worst topic in the world.




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