OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Blumpbeef » Mon May 06, 2013 3:21 pm

mephistopheles wrote:
odoylerulez wrote:It's a 72-hour take home that's "designed" to take an average student 24 hours to finish.

The time thing is manageable. The difficulty of this exam.. well, that's another matter. working about 8 hours out of every 16 hours of being awake isn't bad at all.



your professor sounds like a slave driver.


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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Danger Zone » Mon May 06, 2013 3:41 pm

RAP is destroying my entire sense of self worth.

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Postby mephistopheles » Mon May 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Danger Zone wrote:RAP is destroying my entire sense of self worth.



haha, we had one mc question on rap on my exam, i saw a trigger word in one answer and chose it automatically.

i think i killed it.

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Postby Danger Zone » Mon May 06, 2013 4:00 pm

mephistopheles wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:RAP is destroying my entire sense of self worth.



haha, we had one mc question on rap on my exam, i saw a trigger word in one answer and chose it automatically.

i think i killed it.

NOYCE. Doing practice problems over and over and over, starting to see patterns. Anyone else notice that? If anyone has any hard and fast rules (i.e. this sort of language always fails RAP/always survives RAP), that would be super helpful.

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Postby Robert Paulson » Mon May 06, 2013 4:12 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
mephistopheles wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:RAP is destroying my entire sense of self worth.



haha, we had one mc question on rap on my exam, i saw a trigger word in one answer and chose it automatically.

i think i killed it.

NOYCE. Doing practice problems over and over and over, starting to see patterns. Anyone else notice that? If anyone has any hard and fast rules (i.e. this sort of language always fails RAP/always survives RAP), that would be super helpful.


I don't think there's any hard and fast rules outside the create, kill, and count method. Although, pay extra attention to the phrase "then living" and of course the unborn window trick.

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Postby mephistopheles » Mon May 06, 2013 4:13 pm

well, the hard cases are always the fertile octogenarian and a clause talking about a widow (one can have multiple widows). also, usually, anytime you see a time limit of more than 21 years, be wary of it not being valid.

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Postby splittermcsplit88 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:06 pm

I missed an issue out of a 7 issue crim law exam; how bad is it going to be

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Postby Danger Zone » Mon May 06, 2013 5:17 pm

splittermcsplit88 wrote:I missed an issue out of a 7 issue crim law exam; how bad is it going to be

Nothing you can do about it now. I recommend a beer.

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Postby hyakku » Mon May 06, 2013 6:32 pm

Got this BS property "skills" test. Thankfully professor seems to hate RAP and we spent all of like a day and a half on future interests. If that's not on the exam, I think I can slay since only 1/3 is an issue spotter. If it is, LOL, welcome to median villeeeeee (if I'm lucky).

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Postby Nova » Mon May 06, 2013 6:40 pm

Im getting confused. Attempt question:

MR its always specific intent to cause the result right?

So for attempted rape, a general intent crime, lets say we are are looking at (MTS):

if

no affirmative permission
OR
no freely given permission

+ penetration = sexual assault.

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what do I need to show for attempted rape here? Just that he intended penetration? Or that he inteneded penetration while knowing he didnt have permission?

:? :? :?

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Postby redsox550 » Mon May 06, 2013 6:48 pm

splittermcsplit88 wrote:I missed an issue out of a 7 issue crim law exam; how bad is it going to be


totally missed u cant attempt involuntary homicide - was a major question... im in the same boat :(

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Postby Doorkeeper » Mon May 06, 2013 7:08 pm

Nova wrote:Im getting confused. Attempt question:

MR its always specific intent to cause the result right?

So for attempted rape, a general intent crime, lets say we are are looking at (MTS):

if

no affirmative permission
OR
no freely given permission

+ penetration = sexual assault.

-----------

what do I need to show for attempted rape here? Just that he intended penetration? Or that he inteneded penetration while knowing he didnt have permission?

:? :? :?

Under MTS, "force" = without affirmative, freely given consent of the victim and "permission" = through words or through actions in light of the circumstances. It's only about whether he had permission through verbal consent or "in light of the circumstances".

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Postby Nova » Mon May 06, 2013 7:17 pm

but what would an attempt look like?

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Postby Doorkeeper » Mon May 06, 2013 7:22 pm

Nova wrote:but what would an attempt look like?

Oh, I missed that part. Conduct element = an act of sexual penetration. It would be an attempted act of penetration without "permission" (verbally or by circumstances). I would imagine an "attempted act of penetration" would be read broadly by the NJ SC given their reasoning in MTS (but you could apply the various attempt culpability standards to the case as well - Rizzo, MPC, etc).

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Postby brotherdarkness » Mon May 06, 2013 8:45 pm

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Postby Jsa725 » Mon May 06, 2013 9:21 pm

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Postby Bronck » Mon May 06, 2013 9:32 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:Mother. Of. God.

Just finished my Ks exam. Hardest test I've ever taken.

One more exam to go. Zero motivation to study tonight. Pretty sure whatever I do study tonight will be worthless anyway, as I'll be taking my Ks exam again in my head all night.

Its been a rough semester and I'm pretty sure I'm getting median-pwnd right now. Goddammit.


I'd be so happy with median-pwned this semester. Would even out and get me dat Stone

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Postby dextermorgan » Mon May 06, 2013 9:35 pm

Holy shit I'm done with 1L. Probably median pwned but IDGAF at this point.

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Postby Bronck » Mon May 06, 2013 9:37 pm

dextermorgan wrote:Holy shit I'm done with 1L. Probably median pwned but IDGAF at this point.


Congrats my friend. Test number 1 tomorrow :/

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Postby Danger Zone » Mon May 06, 2013 9:41 pm

dextermorgan wrote:Holy shit I'm done with 1L. Probably median pwned but IDGAF at this point.

At first I was jealous. But then I read Bronck's post.

One. More. Week.

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Postby BuckinghamB » Mon May 06, 2013 9:42 pm

Bronck wrote:
brotherdarkness wrote:Mother. Of. God.

Just finished my Ks exam. Hardest test I've ever taken.

One more exam to go. Zero motivation to study tonight. Pretty sure whatever I do study tonight will be worthless anyway, as I'll be taking my Ks exam again in my head all night.

Its been a rough semester and I'm pretty sure I'm getting median-pwnd right now. Goddammit.


I'd be so happy with median-pwned this semester. Would even out and get me dat Stone


FTFM. Sorry to hear that brotherdarkness, but you never know until grades come out, though. I bet you'll surprise yourself.

Edit: grats dexter. extremely jealous right about now! And good luck Bronck
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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Blessedassurance » Mon May 06, 2013 9:45 pm

Nova wrote:Im getting confused. Attempt question:

MR its always specific intent to cause the result right?

So for attempted rape, a general intent crime, lets say we are are looking at (MTS):

if

no affirmative permission
OR
no freely given permission

+ penetration = sexual assault.

-----------

what do I need to show for attempted rape here? Just that he intended penetration? Or that he inteneded penetration while knowing he didnt have permission?

:? :? :?


The mens rea requirement for the vast majority of jurisdictions is specific intent (purpose) even if a different culpability requirement is required for the actual offense.

Of course your first analysis must start with the statute, if one exists. If not:

For rape (not statutory rape), one analysis is to analyze if the D had the specific purpose of committing rape (i.e. penetrating without permission or whatever the standard is), then you have to analyze the substantial step versus dangerous proximity requirement to determine where culpability attaches.

Then formulate D's arguments.

It is possible for a court to do weird things. The only case I can think of is not entirely analogous because it's statutory rape (Commonwealth v. Dunne). I don't think the Dunne reasoning is particularly sound.

See mpc 5.01 comments (which is still fuzzy). I guess that's why it's a question.

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Postby Jsa725 » Mon May 06, 2013 9:47 pm

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Postby SportsFan » Mon May 06, 2013 9:56 pm

The writing competition here is terrible, miserable, horrible... oh my god...
Being stuck in a room from like 9-730 doing nothing but fixing citations and proofreading. :shock:

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Postby Pleasye » Mon May 06, 2013 10:02 pm

Halfway there.




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