OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby LazinessPerSe » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:25 am

Lacepiece23 wrote:Hey man I have a really good con law attack I've been emailing to some bros for individual rights. If you wanted to send me your email I can get that to you. I have a couple questions on your crim attack. Is it based off Dressler? seems like it is.


Yeah, the Crim is based off Dressler.

Lacepiece23 wrote:Also, did your prof care at all that you shortened all lot of the defintion and terms, or is that how your prof framed it. I don't think my prof will care if I shorten things like you have it for my closed book exam, but I just really want to make sure. Thanks so much for that though it seems like it might save me in that class.


I'm not sure what you mean. Anything on that page is basically what I wrote on the exam. Anything abbreviated I just wrote out fully. Does that answer your question?

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Postby LazinessPerSe » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:28 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote: etc


by any chance, do you have stuff on property?


I do, but they're just general outlines.

Property I
Property II

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Lacepiece23 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:27 am

LazinessPerSe wrote:
Lacepiece23 wrote:Hey man I have a really good con law attack I've been emailing to some bros for individual rights. If you wanted to send me your email I can get that to you. I have a couple questions on your crim attack. Is it based off Dressler? seems like it is.


Yeah, the Crim is based off Dressler.

Lacepiece23 wrote:Also, did your prof care at all that you shortened all lot of the defintion and terms, or is that how your prof framed it. I don't think my prof will care if I shorten things like you have it for my closed book exam, but I just really want to make sure. Thanks so much for that though it seems like it might save me in that class.


I'm not sure what you mean. Anything on that page is basically what I wrote on the exam. Anything abbreviated I just wrote out fully. Does that answer your question?


Hey sorry I just saw this year this answers it ignore my PM thanks. And I sent you that outline. Attack is pretty helpful if your teacher likes using tests of scrutiny.

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Postby Jsa725 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:59 am

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Postby LazinessPerSe » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:42 am

Dukeminier. The outlines follow the Property E&E closely.

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Postby Jsa725 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:44 am

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Postby LazinessPerSe » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:47 am

Jsa725 wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote:Dukeminier. The outlines follow the Property E&E closely.

Nice! ty ty :)


I really didn't rely too much on the casebook. The E&E was what I really worked out of to get an A.

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Postby MauriceGains » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:12 pm

I have no idea why Kadish bothered writing a book. Going over some practice problems in class and my near-complete outline is completely useless. What do folks?

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Postby stillwater » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:37 pm

MauriceGains wrote:I have no idea why Kadish bothered writing a book. Going over some practice problems in class and my near-complete outline is completely useless. What do folks?


Dressler is your friend.

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Postby SportsFan » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:45 pm

stillwater wrote:
MauriceGains wrote:I have no idea why Kadish bothered writing a book. Going over some practice problems in class and my near-complete outline is completely useless. What do folks?


Dressler is your friend.

This. Depending on how you structured your outline, it shouldn't be too difficult to heavily supplement it with Dressler.

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Postby bananapeanutbutter » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:47 pm

LazinessPerSe wrote:
Jsa725 wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote:Dukeminier. The outlines follow the Property E&E closely.

Nice! ty ty :)

I really didn't rely too much on the casebook. The E&E was what I really worked out of to get an A.

We have a closed book property exam, and I feel like memorizing how to apply law to fact is significantly easier than memorizing cases. Our professor goes hyper-detailed into the facts of cases in cold calls, but does lecture BLL and expressly said that we only have to know what the cases stand for....... I mention all this because the E&E has no cases in it. If I have a very good understanding of the doctrine, and can get the E&E problems right, would that generally be sufficient?

Our professor is definitely a little eccentric, but not too weird and very practical + real world smart so is it a safe bet to not stress about cases?

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Postby LazinessPerSe » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:57 pm

bananapeanutbutter wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote:
Jsa725 wrote:
LazinessPerSe wrote:Dukeminier. The outlines follow the Property E&E closely.

Nice! ty ty :)

I really didn't rely too much on the casebook. The E&E was what I really worked out of to get an A.

We have a closed book property exam, and I feel like memorizing how to apply law to fact is significantly easier than memorizing cases. Our professor goes hyper-detailed into the facts of cases in cold calls, but does lecture BLL and expressly said that we only have to know what the cases stand for....... I mention all this because the E&E has no cases in it. If I have a very good understanding of the doctrine, and can get the E&E problems right, would that generally be sufficient?

Our professor is definitely a little eccentric, but not too weird and very practical + real world smart so is it a safe bet to not stress about cases?


The usefulness of any case is that it's a hypo that has an answer. On the exam, you may find it logical to argue by analogy on why a hypo is/is not like a case. That's where knowing the facts helps. The goal is to know why those facts resulted in a ruling. You then use the court's analysis on the exam hypo. Analogy is not the only way to argue, but it is particularly effective.

As far as not using any cases/just E&E BLL, it really depends on your peers. I would caution you against limiting your toolbox to just arguing the BLL. You absolutely want to get that method of arguing down (i.e., what the elements of capture are / how you prove each element), but you may also want to use a case to augment this analysis (i.e., analogizing that a hypo contains fraud/misrepresentation similar to the ghost house case).

Full disclosure, I went to a TTTT for 1L before transferring to a T30. My 1L class had trouble remembering how many elements there were to a tort and that you can't just say "it's clearly a battery". They went full retard on exams for the most part.. I skated through just using E&E analysis. At my T30, I've had to use all the tools available (analogy/policy/BLL) to maintain good grades.

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Postby BlueLotus » Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:13 pm

Did anyone who requested my CSWS "survival kit" not get one? If so, PM a reminder (was deluged by requests!)

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Postby Nova » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:21 pm

Hey I should have asked this 3 months ago but....

You guys are refering to Understanding by Dressler, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Cri ... 062&sr=1-2

Not his BLL OL, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Black-Letter-Outl ... 992&sr=1-1

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Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:24 pm

Nova wrote:Hey I should have asked this 3 months ago but....

You guys are refering to Understanding by Dressler, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Cri ... 062&sr=1-2

Not his BLL OL, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Black-Letter-Outl ... 992&sr=1-1


Correct

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Postby Nova » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:41 pm

Bronck wrote:
Nova wrote:Hey I should have asked this 3 months ago but....

You guys are refering to Understanding by Dressler, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Cri ... 062&sr=1-2

Not his BLL OL, RIGHT? http://www.amazon.com/Black-Letter-Outl ... 992&sr=1-1


Correct

Lol

Good.

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Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:43 pm

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby GSCgold » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:51 pm

Why am I just realizing how clutch Wikipedia is for Con Law...

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Postby gaud » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 pm

GSCgold wrote:Why am I just realizing how clutch Wikipedia is for Con Law...


Wikipedia is clutch for every class lol

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Postby Nelson » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:06 pm

gaud wrote:
GSCgold wrote:Why am I just realizing how clutch Wikipedia is for Con Law...


Wikipedia is clutch for every class lol

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Postby 005618502 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:15 pm

PinkLotus wrote:Did anyone who requested my CSWS "survival kit" not get one? If so, PM a reminder (was deluged by requests!)


What is this?

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby dannynoonan87 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:56 pm



"I DON'T WANNA TALK TO YOUR TA."


Definitely using that line on my legal writing prof next week :twisted:

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Postby Lacepiece23 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:13 pm

dannynoonan87 wrote:


"I DON'T WANNA TALK TO YOUR TA."


Definitely using that line on my legal writing prof next week :twisted:


Haha definitely one of the most underrated lines from that video. Doens't get quoted nearly enough.

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Postby Jsa725 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:28 am

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Postby JG7773 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:57 am

Down to the final 8 class sessions for each class. . . GAAAAMME TIIIME!




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