OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby Bronck » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:05 am

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Bronck wrote:When do commerce clause cases start mattering? I'm putting all the early shit in my outline, but is everything pre-Lopez useless for analogizing/distinguishing?

I think it depends on your professor. Mine specifically told us we need to know the older ones, presumably because he wants us to argue using both the old precedents and the new ones. But your professor could be completely different.


That makes sense. I think my professor said to treat Roberts's discussion on the CC as the law for purposes of the exam, but I could be wrong. I'm guessing that means the only really relevant cases are NFIB, Lopez, Morrison, and Raich?

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Postby MauriceGains » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:27 am

Wickard is critical to CC.

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Postby Bronck » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:31 am

MauriceGains wrote:Wickard is critical to CC.


Good to know. The con law class debacle happened in the middle of the CC, so it got me a bit confused. Seems like Heart of ATL Motel is also important (if only to illustrate the first type of activity listed in Lopez)?

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Postby shumpshump » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:54 am

Bronck wrote:
MauriceGains wrote:Wickard is critical to CC.


Good to know. The con law class debacle happened in the middle of the CC, so it got me a bit confused. Seems like Heart of ATL Motel is also important (if only to illustrate the first type of activity listed in Lopez)?


I'd have all of them in there. You never know if the fact pattern he gives us is more similar to a case from the New Deal Era as opposed to one of the more recent cases. If that happens, you can write something like "the most direct precedent is XYZ from New Deal" but then do an analysis of whether Lopez, NFIB, etc. have changed that.

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Postby SportsFan » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:46 pm

Bronck wrote:
SportsFan wrote:
Bronck wrote:When do commerce clause cases start mattering? I'm putting all the early shit in my outline, but is everything pre-Lopez useless for analogizing/distinguishing?

I think it depends on your professor. Mine specifically told us we need to know the older ones, presumably because he wants us to argue using both the old precedents and the new ones. But your professor could be completely different.


That makes sense. I think my professor said to treat Roberts's discussion on the CC as the law for purposes of the exam, but I could be wrong. I'm guessing that means the only really relevant cases are NFIB, Lopez, Morrison, and Raich?

The most relevant, sure, but I'd say all the post-New Deal cases would still be at least a little relevant. I'm still not 100% sure how I'm going to answer CC questions for my professor, but I think I may just do 2 analysis's, 1 pre-New Deal and 1 post (with separate sections on the pre-Lopez and post Lopez interpretations). But then, maybe not since my exam has a word limit.

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Postby SportsFan » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:41 pm

Anyone know any good sources for multiple choice questions/answers for crim?

In happier news, I just found out I got selected to be a board member of one of the pro bono projects here next year, so thats something to look forward to.

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Postby Nelson » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:37 pm

SportsFan wrote:
Bronck wrote:
SportsFan wrote:
Bronck wrote:When do commerce clause cases start mattering? I'm putting all the early shit in my outline, but is everything pre-Lopez useless for analogizing/distinguishing?

I think it depends on your professor. Mine specifically told us we need to know the older ones, presumably because he wants us to argue using both the old precedents and the new ones. But your professor could be completely different.


That makes sense. I think my professor said to treat Roberts's discussion on the CC as the law for purposes of the exam, but I could be wrong. I'm guessing that means the only really relevant cases are NFIB, Lopez, Morrison, and Raich?

The most relevant, sure, but I'd say all the post-New Deal cases would still be at least a little relevant. I'm still not 100% sure how I'm going to answer CC questions for my professor, but I think I may just do 2 analysis's, 1 pre-New Deal and 1 post (with separate sections on the pre-Lopez and post Lopez interpretations). But then, maybe not since my exam has a word limit.

I wish I knew WTF was going on with con law. The outlining process is not really making this much clearer.

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Postby brotherdarkness » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:12 pm

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Postby stillwater » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:04 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:Went to talk to my con law professor today to ask which cases, namely those in the CC series, we should know for the exam. His answer: "All of them. If I've mentioned it in class, even briefly and in passing, you should know it." Aside from the numerous cases in our book, he has referenced numerous cases not in our book.

I asked a question, referencing the Chemerinsky supplement, and he responded by saying that "I sat on Erwin's tenure board and you should be wary of his interpretations. What he says isn't what the Court says." Uh... fuck.

No practice exams from this professor, but plenty of lore about the supposed difficulty of his test.


maybe he knows you are too close to the secret.

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Postby SportsFan » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:36 pm

Nelson wrote:I wish I knew WTF was going on with con law. The outlining process is not really making this much clearer.

My professor has basically gone REALLY in depth on 3 topics so far (commerce clause, various executive powers, and the equal protection clause) and then only spent a small amount of time on other things (like judicial power and the 10th amendment). I feel like we move really slow, so I can't help but think other con law classes are hitting a lot more topics than us (not that I'm complaining).

Also, IIRC you're in one of the same electives as me, and I'm not as worried about the final after the last class, but still pretty concerned, especially about all the different theories it seems we need to know... :?

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Postby Nelson » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:43 pm

SportsFan wrote:
Nelson wrote:I wish I knew WTF was going on with con law. The outlining process is not really making this much clearer.

My professor has basically gone REALLY in depth on 3 topics so far (commerce clause, various executive powers, and the equal protection clause) and then only spent a small amount of time on other things (like judicial power and the 10th amendment). I feel like we move really slow, so I can't help but think other con law classes are hitting a lot more topics than us (not that I'm complaining).

Also, IIRC you're in one of the same electives as me, and I'm not as worried about the final after the last class, but still pretty concerned, especially about all the different theories it seems we need to know... :?

Our con law class feels slow too. I just don't like how vague everything is compared to the common law classes.

The other guy is tough but I take solace in my belief that no one else in the class knows where he's going most of the time either. If we're all equally confused, then it's a wash.

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Postby Bronck » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:14 pm

brotherdarkness wrote:Went to talk to my con law professor today to ask which cases, namely those in the CC series, we should know for the exam. His answer: "All of them. If I've mentioned it in class, even briefly and in passing, you should know it." Aside from the numerous cases in our book, he has referenced numerous cases not in our book.

I asked a question, referencing the Chemerinsky supplement, and he responded by saying that "I sat on Erwin's tenure board and you should be wary of his interpretations. What he says isn't what the Court says." Uh... fuck.

No practice exams from this professor, but plenty of lore about the supposed difficulty of his test.


Hmm.... others on here (via search function) seemed to have owned Con Law just using Chem, so it's gotta be professorial preference. That being said, might be a good idea for me to just talk to my prof and see what he says about CC cases.

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Postby mephistopheles » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:23 pm

Bronck wrote:
brotherdarkness wrote:Went to talk to my con law professor today to ask which cases, namely those in the CC series, we should know for the exam. His answer: "All of them. If I've mentioned it in class, even briefly and in passing, you should know it." Aside from the numerous cases in our book, he has referenced numerous cases not in our book.

I asked a question, referencing the Chemerinsky supplement, and he responded by saying that "I sat on Erwin's tenure board and you should be wary of his interpretations. What he says isn't what the Court says." Uh... fuck.

No practice exams from this professor, but plenty of lore about the supposed difficulty of his test.


Hmm.... others on here (via search function) seemed to have owned Con Law just using Chem, so it's gotta be professorial preference. That being said, might be a good idea for me to just talk to my prof and see what he says about CC cases.



my professor openly disagreed with chem in class, so i never even cracked mine.

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Postby Bronck » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:33 pm

Damn. Are there any other con law supplements (please, no audio BS) that are highly regarded that can help synthesize the rules well?

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Postby hephaestus » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:38 pm

Bronck wrote:Damn. Are there any other con law supplements (please, no audio BS) that are highly regarded that can help synthesize the rules well?

I found the Con law E&Es to be nearly useless, so I'd stay away from those.

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Postby mephistopheles » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:42 pm

there is a glannon outline or something along those lines that was great.

lemme get back to you.

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Postby Danger Zone » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:29 pm

We've literally only done the liberty doctrine (some substantive due process in there) and the equal protection clause. The class moves painfully slow.

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Postby gaud » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:39 pm

mephistopheles wrote:there is a glannon outline or something along those lines that was great.

lemme get back to you.


also interested

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Postby ShitLawOrBust » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:38 am

what does csws stand for?

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Postby Nova » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:04 am

ShitLawOrBust wrote:what does csws stand for?

Cant Stop Wont Stop

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Postby Pleasye » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:15 am

Brief writing sucks guys.

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Postby redsox550 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:17 am

ImNoScar wrote:
Bronck wrote:Damn. Are there any other con law supplements (please, no audio BS) that are highly regarded that can help synthesize the rules well?

I found the Con law E&Es to be nearly useless, so I'd stay away from those.


I found them useful (maybe not as useful as other E&E's) but they organized the basic Q's for each test for me that you have to ask

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Postby redsox550 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:18 am

Bronck wrote:Damn. Are there any other con law supplements (please, no audio BS) that are highly regarded that can help synthesize the rules well?


I even found the limited information from the Lexis series helpful in deducing ways to incorporate cases and tests from cases into hypos

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Postby MauriceGains » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:30 pm

Yeah, as far as the CC stuff goes, I think the essentials are McCulloch, Gibbons, Carter v. Carter Coal, Jones & Laughlin Steel, Darby, Wickard, Heart of Atlanta, Katzenbach, Morrison, Lopez, Raich, and NFIB.

At long last, I haz located a jerb. :) Good luck to everyone else still questing for summer work and keep grindin'!

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Re: OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

Postby stillwater » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:38 pm

LETS GET THIS THREAD GOING. WHO'S GONNA OUTLINE CRIM FOR ME?!?!!?!




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