OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS)

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Postby TLSaul2001 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:43 pm

I've been lurking this thread for a while and just wanted to say it's an awesome thread that was a nice study break the last few weeks. Contacts final is on Tuesday, Crim on Thursday. Then Torts Mon, Civ Pro Wed. I definitely started studying too late and can't gauge how I'm gonna do but life's a bitch and then you die so fuck it.

My torts final is 20 short answer questions with answers capped at 4 typed lines each. Anyone else have a weird setup like this? I looked at some of his old tests and will be spending thur night-sunday of next week trying to get a handle on the style, gonna be a trip.

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Postby SportsFan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:32 pm

Events of my afternoon/evening so far: Take a torts practice exam. See the sample answer has 2 different answers for each question. Read through first answer and think: :shock: "wow I'm screwed if this is what my professor wants, mine is nothing like this". Read through second answer: 8) "nice, this is structured just like how I did mine".

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:35 pm

SportsFan wrote:Events of my afternoon/evening so far: Take a torts practice exam. See the sample answer has 2 different answers for each question. Read through first answer and think: :shock: "wow I'm screwed if this is what my professor wants, mine is nothing like this". Read through second answer: 8) "nice, this is structured just like how I did mine".



YEAH BUDDY.

How we are going to feel when we are finished and master this law school game:

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CSWS MONEY TEAM, BABY.

Edit: I just really hope following Arrow's advice closely, LEEWS, GTM + all these hypos, PTs, memorization pays off. I'll do top 1/3.

Edit 2: Mother fucker. I get ALL the issues plus more and can type it well. But I'm just too slow of a typer. I'm ~1100 words an hour. ~_~ Maybe I'm worrying too much about how I type. What's credited?
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Postby Raiden » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:11 pm

Lol, you guys rock.

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Postby Maximized » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:29 am

2100 words on a 90-minute Civ.Pro. PT. I feel okay about my issue-spotting, pretty good about my analysis, and okay about my typing speed, which seems to be the topic of the last few days. My organization needs some work though, at least intra-paragraph.

I wouldn't know whether this is the credited response or not, but I think complete analysis of every issue is more important than a raw number of words typed. That said, you may (or may not, if your writing is packed with superfluous verbiage) have more words in a better answer, because obviously spotting three issues on one exam is going to take fewer words than spotting four on that exam, and analyzing three issues well will take more words than analyzing three issues decently. Assuming, of course, that the extra words aren't BS filler that don't rack up points for you.

Also, that picture is legit as shit. YMCMB/CSWS

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Postby SportsFan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:36 am

LetsGoLAW wrote:
SportsFan wrote:Events of my afternoon/evening so far: Take a torts practice exam. See the sample answer has 2 different answers for each question. Read through first answer and think: :shock: "wow I'm screwed if this is what my professor wants, mine is nothing like this". Read through second answer: 8) "nice, this is structured just like how I did mine".



YEAH BUDDY.

How we are going to feel when we are finished and master this law school game:

Image

CSWS MONEY TEAM, BABY.

Edit: I just really hope following Arrow's advice closely, LEEWS, GTM + all these hypos, PTs, memorization pays off. I'll do top 1/3.

Edit 2: Mother fucker. I get ALL the issues plus more and can type it well. But I'm just too slow of a typer. I'm ~1100 words an hour. ~_~ Maybe I'm worrying too much about how I type. What's credited?

When when you 1100 wph, that hour includes all your thinking and whatnot too, right? Well, can you give an estimate of how much time you're spending thinking vs. how much time you're actually typing? Maybe you just need to learn to think through the issues faster (which is probably easier to learn than learning to type faster, given the short time period before finals)

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Postby minnbills » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:42 am

ok I need to get it together. All I did today was review my contracts outline. First final in 10 days. Get. it. together.

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Postby Blumpbeef » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:47 am

minnbills wrote:ok I need to get it together. All I did today was review my contracts outline. First final in 10 days. Get. it. together.


At least you have a contracts outline :oops:

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Postby swimmer11 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:53 am

Came in here to post: CSWS

Stay strong, fight the struggle, and remember once you are finished with all of your finals, you will celebrate, you will drink hard, and you will have the pleasure of posting outrageous stuff in this thread.

But until then...CSWS

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:08 am

SportsFan, it was my first practice exam so I was a little shaky. As I am practicing more, I am typing more. I find myself going back to the facts sometimes. Bad? I am getting all the issues, though with deep analysis.

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Postby laxbrah420 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:08 am

Blumpbeef wrote:
minnbills wrote:ok I need to get it together. All I did today was review my contracts outline. First final in 10 days. Get. it. together.


At least you have a contracts outline :oops:

I decided that making your own outline is a huge flame

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Postby Blumpbeef » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:25 am

laxbrah420 wrote:
Blumpbeef wrote:
minnbills wrote:ok I need to get it together. All I did today was review my contracts outline. First final in 10 days. Get. it. together.


At least you have a contracts outline :oops:

I decided that making your own outline is a huge flame


I like it. I find other people's incomprehensible.

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:59 am

Soldier on my brothers. Soldier.

By the way. My one teacher does not have answers. Do I still practice his tests or just use Siegels?

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Postby Blumpbeef » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:05 am

LetsGoLAW wrote:Soldier on my brothers. Soldier.

By the way. My one teacher does not have answers. Do I still practice his tests or just use Siegels?


Absolutely practice his tests

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Postby LetsGoLAW » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:55 am

Blumpbeef wrote:
LetsGoLAW wrote:Soldier on my brothers. Soldier.

By the way. My one teacher does not have answers. Do I still practice his tests or just use Siegels?


Absolutely practice his tests


Thanks, bro.

Just finished my second contracts PT. Nailed it, except I fuck up on expectation, reliance, and restitution damages every time. Buyer/seller is okay. Each PT I am typing ~500 more words than the previous test. It's open notebook and I looked at my 1 page attack outline 3 times. Memorization is ~75% of the way there. Fuck it. It's 4 AM, the test is in 9 days.

My prof. has these short answers at the end which deviate from legal writing (only explaining damages), so it's a mad dash to type.

LET US GO BOYS. KEEP THIS SHIT UP. POWER THROUGH.

If anyone wants to share exam PTing, let me know.

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Postby Rawlberto » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:06 am

Throw that attack outline up bro.

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Postby Birdnals » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:55 am

Here is my Civ Pro attack outline if anybody wanted one. It is basically straight from Arthur Miller with the things my prof covered (didn't add discovery/actual trial because we didn't cover those)

1. Jurisdiction and Jurisdiction Related Matters
a. Does Court have s/m jurisdiction? 1331, 1332, 2201, 1367, Gibbs, Strawbridge,
b. Does Court have Personal Jurisdiction? Rule 4(k)
i. Territoriality, Domicile, Agency, Consent, Corporate Presence
ii. LA stat, constitutional reach= international shoe, hanson v. denkla, ww volkswagon, Asahi, burger king
c. Has D been given notice/opportunity to be heard? Rule 4, Mullane
d. Has D been served with process properly? (immunities/etiquette)
e. Does court have venue? 1391, forum non-convenes, piper air, 1404
f. If action in state court, can it be removed to fed court? 1441
g. Have any of issues A-F been waived? Rule 12, (g) and (h)

2. Choice of Law in 1332 Diversity Case
a. Erie v. Tomkins
b. Hannah v. Plummer
c. Walker v. Amico Steel

3. Pleading
a. Standard of Particularity of Pleading. 12 (b)(6), 8(a),9(b)
b. Answer Requirements. 8(b)(3), 8(c), 12 (g) and (h) and (b)
c. Amendments to pleadings. 15(a)(2), and (b)
d. Relation Back. 15(c)(1)(a), (b), and (c)
e. Sanctions. Rule 11

4. Joinder of Parties/Claims
a. Joinder of Claims. Rule 18,
b. Permissive Joinder of Parties. Rule 20(a)(1)and(2)
c. Compulsory Joinder of Parties. Rule 19
d. Counter Claims. Compulsory/Permissive, Rule 13, 1367
e. Cross Claim. 13(g), never compulsory
f. 3rd Party Claims. Rule 14, 1367 (b)
g. Intervention. Rule 24, 1367 taking into account,
h. Class Actions. 23(a) and (b)(1), (2), and (3). Falcon, Phillips v. Shutts,

5. Summary Judgment. 12(b)(6)

6. Post-Trial Motions
a. Motion for new Trial. 59
b. Motion for Directed Verdict. Rule 50(a)
c. JNOV. Rule 50(b)

7. Former Adjudication
a. Claim Preclusion. Res Judicata. Moitie, Jones
b. Issue Preclusion. Collateral Estoppel. Russel, Rios, Patterson, Parklane

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Postby MrSparkle » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:36 am

I need some motivation. I'm up to 20 PTs total for 4 classes, but maybe half are not full-length b/c some questions are irrelevant to my prof's style.

How many PTs you folks up to?

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Postby SportsFan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:09 pm

Birdnals wrote:Here is my Civ Pro attack outline if anybody wanted one. It is basically straight from Arthur Miller with the things my prof covered (didn't add discovery/actual trial because we didn't cover those)

1. Jurisdiction and Jurisdiction Related Matters
a. Does Court have s/m jurisdiction? 1331, 1332, 2201, 1367, Gibbs, Strawbridge,
b. Does Court have Personal Jurisdiction? Rule 4(k)
i. Territoriality, Domicile, Agency, Consent, Corporate Presence
ii. LA stat, constitutional reach= international shoe, hanson v. denkla, ww volkswagon, Asahi, burger king
c. Has D been given notice/opportunity to be heard? Rule 4, Mullane
d. Has D been served with process properly? (immunities/etiquette)
e. Does court have venue? 1391, forum non-convenes, piper air, 1404
f. If action in state court, can it be removed to fed court? 1441
g. Have any of issues A-F been waived? Rule 12, (g) and (h)

2. Choice of Law in 1332 Diversity Case
a. Erie v. Tomkins
b. Hannah v. Plummer
c. Walker v. Amico Steel

3. Pleading
a. Standard of Particularity of Pleading. 12 (b)(6), 8(a),9(b)
b. Answer Requirements. 8(b)(3), 8(c), 12 (g) and (h) and (b)
c. Amendments to pleadings. 15(a)(2), and (b)
d. Relation Back. 15(c)(1)(a), (b), and (c)
e. Sanctions. Rule 11

4. Joinder of Parties/Claims
a. Joinder of Claims. Rule 18,
b. Permissive Joinder of Parties. Rule 20(a)(1)and(2)
c. Compulsory Joinder of Parties. Rule 19
d. Counter Claims. Compulsory/Permissive, Rule 13, 1367
e. Cross Claim. 13(g), never compulsory
f. 3rd Party Claims. Rule 14, 1367 (b)
g. Intervention. Rule 24, 1367 taking into account,
h. Class Actions. 23(a) and (b)(1), (2), and (3). Falcon, Phillips v. Shutts,

5. Summary Judgment. 12(b)(6)

6. Post-Trial Motions
a. Motion for new Trial. 59
b. Motion for Directed Verdict. Rule 50(a)
c. JNOV. Rule 50(b)

7. Former Adjudication
a. Claim Preclusion. Res Judicata. Moitie, Jones
b. Issue Preclusion. Collateral Estoppel. Russel, Rios, Patterson, Parklane

Thanks, I've barely started my civ pro attack outline so this'll help me organize mine.
MrSparkle wrote:I need some motivation. I'm up to 20 PTs total for 4 classes, but maybe half are not full-length b/c some questions are irrelevant to my prof's style.

How many PTs you folks up to?

IIRC, I've done 2 civ pro, 2 contracts, and 4 torts. Before my exams, I'm hoping to get done another 5 civ pro, 1 contracts, and 4 torts. I don't think I've some a single full length one yet, though, since I've been skipping stuff we hadn't gotten to in class yet (though thats pretty much irrelevant at this point).

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Postby gaud » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:19 pm

Jammed out to a torts exam last night. much more fun than civ pro or contracts

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Postby Lacepiece23 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:43 pm

First exam Wednesday... Let's go CSWS. I've done every practice for everyone one of my classes. Left one full one for the day before the exam. Outlined memorized. Typing speeds up. Grabbed 5k words on my last full torts exam. Time to shine I'm actually excited for finals.

Let's not holding anything back. Walk out of every exam with your head held high.

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Postby JRustle » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:14 pm

Hey can someone PM me that getting to maybe outline that was going around?

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Postby mr.hands » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:27 pm

JRustle wrote:Hey can someone PM me that getting to maybe outline that was going around?


yeah i'd like a copy too if someone has one. (I actually own the book, i just think it'd be nice to have an outline for it)

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Postby 20130312 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:30 pm

mr.hands wrote:
JRustle wrote:Hey can someone PM me that getting to maybe outline that was going around?


yeah i'd like a copy too if someone has one. (I actually own the book, i just think it'd be nice to have an outline for it)

Same. Thanks guys, this thread is an inspiration.

Got that CSWS in my veins.

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Postby SportsFan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:44 pm

Feeling a bit burnt out today. Finished up my reading for the week but got about 20 minutes into a practice exam and just don't have the motivation to do any more. Think I'll take the rest of the day off and try to play video games, watch, and relax so I can go hard all week.




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