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damn this motivation thread turned into the exam depression thread. Took a look back at the first few pages and the vive was completely different lol. C'mon guys only a few more weeks hang in there. I know i'm no LGL, but we got this shit.
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Hey guys, can someone help me out with this property question? I feel dumb but I don't understand why A is the answer and not D.
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
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It's D. When A conveys the interest to C, it breaks the unity of interest. Thus, C is no longer a JT. And B cannot be a JT with himself. I dunno how A could possible be correct. Unless this is some fucked up exception but it seems by rigid application of CL rules it should be D.RaleighStClair wrote:Hey guys, can someone help me out with this property question? I feel dumb but I don't understand why A is the answer and not D.
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
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Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.stillwater wrote:It's D. When A conveys the interest to C, it breaks the unity of interest. Thus, C is no longer a JT. And B cannot be a JT with himself. I dunno how A could possible be correct. Unless this is some fucked up exception but it seems by rigid application of CL rules it should be D.RaleighStClair wrote:Hey guys, can someone help me out with this property question? I feel dumb but I don't understand why A is the answer and not D.
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
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- dannynoonan87
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I'm doing these same ones right now!RaleighStClair wrote:
Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.
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http://lawweb.pace.edu/jhumbach/finalexams.htm - These ones? Have you noticed any strange questions/answers? Granted, this wasn't my class and profs teach things differently sometimes.dannynoonan87 wrote:I'm doing these same ones right now!RaleighStClair wrote:
Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.
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One I did about tolling for disabilities in Ad Po didn't make sense.RaleighStClair wrote:http://lawweb.pace.edu/jhumbach/finalexams.htm - These ones? Have you noticed any strange questions/answers? Granted, this wasn't my class and profs teach things differently sometimes.dannynoonan87 wrote:I'm doing these same ones right now!RaleighStClair wrote:
Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.
I'm only practicing about 60% of the questions since my class was straight real property + pierson v post, while it looks like this class at pace covered a lot of personal property.
Who's got some Rule Against Purps questions with answers?
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I don't know man, I'm pretty sure the answer is A. The unities were only broken on 1/3 of the property, BC are joint tenants in the other 2/3s. B only takes the 2/3 interest on C's death.RaleighStClair wrote:Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.stillwater wrote:It's D. When A conveys the interest to C, it breaks the unity of interest. Thus, C is no longer a JT. And B cannot be a JT with himself. I dunno how A could possible be correct. Unless this is some fucked up exception but it seems by rigid application of CL rules it should be D.RaleighStClair wrote:Hey guys, can someone help me out with this property question? I feel dumb but I don't understand why A is the answer and not D.
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
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huh?TemporarySaint wrote:I don't know man, I'm pretty sure the answer is A. The unities were only broken on 1/3 of the property, BC are joint tenants in the other 2/3s. B only takes the 2/3 interest on C's death.RaleighStClair wrote:Ahh thank you. That's what I thought. I think maybe the answer key that this guy posted isn't completely correct....that's f'ing frustrating.stillwater wrote:It's D. When A conveys the interest to C, it breaks the unity of interest. Thus, C is no longer a JT. And B cannot be a JT with himself. I dunno how A could possible be correct. Unless this is some fucked up exception but it seems by rigid application of CL rules it should be D.RaleighStClair wrote:Hey guys, can someone help me out with this property question? I feel dumb but I don't understand why A is the answer and not D.
A, B, and C owned Blackacre as joint tenants. A conveyed her interest to C. As a result:
a. If B dies, C would own the whole, by herself.
b. If C dies, B would own the whole, by herself.
c. Both of the above.
d. None of the above.
I thought because the unity of interest was severed, C and B would become tenants in common. Can someone 'splain this to me?
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I'm not sure how you can separate the 1/3 that A conveyed from the remaining 2/3. C now has a 2/3 interest, which compared to B's 1/3 interest, breaks the unity of interest, no?
That was a lot of "interests."
That was a lot of "interests."
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Let's say that A conveyed to D instead. Then D would be TIC with B/C (with B and C being joint tenants still).
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
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Wouldn't C's interest merge though? That's what I don't get.HellOnHeels wrote:Let's say that A conveyed to D instead. Then D would be TIC with B/C (with B and C being joint tenants still).
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
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I thought interests could only merge if one was a lesser duration/smaller interest (such as a life estate merging with a fee simple, or an easement merging with the servient estate). C would own two interests in fee simple, so merger wouldn't work. That's how I would explain it.stillwater wrote:Wouldn't C's interest merge though? That's what I don't get.HellOnHeels wrote:Let's say that A conveyed to D instead. Then D would be TIC with B/C (with B and C being joint tenants still).
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
You could maybe also make an argument for, that if C's interests did merge, a court would find it wouldn't destroy the joint tenancy between B and C. Obviously O wanted there to be right of survivorship. It wouldn't make sense to let A convey to D and not destroy the survivorship between B and C, but if A conveys to C, it would. Then A could just convey to a strawman, who then would convey to C, and most jurisdictions have gotten rid of strawman, I think.
Property. Sheesh.
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Yea that seems to make sense. I think it's a stupid question.HellOnHeels wrote:I thought interests could only merge if one was a lesser duration/smaller interest (such as a life estate merging with a fee simple, or an easement merging with the servient estate). C would own two interests in fee simple, so merger wouldn't work. That's how I would explain it.stillwater wrote:Wouldn't C's interest merge though? That's what I don't get.HellOnHeels wrote:Let's say that A conveyed to D instead. Then D would be TIC with B/C (with B and C being joint tenants still).
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
You could maybe also make an argument for, that if C's interests did merge, a court would find it wouldn't destroy the joint tenancy between B and C. Obviously O wanted there to be right of survivorship. It wouldn't make sense to let A convey to D and not destroy the survivorship between B and C, but if A conveys to C, it would. Then A could just convey to a strawman, who then would convey to C, and most jurisdictions have gotten rid of strawman, I think.
Property. Sheesh.
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He was over-thinking it. If you outlive the other joint tenants, you win the game and get the prize $. He was bringing in Doctrine of Worthier Title. Don't use the cotenancies to then think about the estates, just think about them as the end of the estates - how you can co-own whatever estate was previously conveyed to you. It isn't that deep.stillwater wrote:Yea that seems to make sense. I think it's a stupid question.HellOnHeels wrote:I thought interests could only merge if one was a lesser duration/smaller interest (such as a life estate merging with a fee simple, or an easement merging with the servient estate). C would own two interests in fee simple, so merger wouldn't work. That's how I would explain it.stillwater wrote:Wouldn't C's interest merge though? That's what I don't get.HellOnHeels wrote:Let's say that A conveyed to D instead. Then D would be TIC with B/C (with B and C being joint tenants still).
But A conveyed to C. So B/C are still joint tenants with respect to 2/3 of the property, with C owning another 1/3 from A.
When B dies, C get's B's 1/3. C now has A's 1/3, B's 1/3, and his own 1/3. He owns it all.
You could maybe also make an argument for, that if C's interests did merge, a court would find it wouldn't destroy the joint tenancy between B and C. Obviously O wanted there to be right of survivorship. It wouldn't make sense to let A convey to D and not destroy the survivorship between B and C, but if A conveys to C, it would. Then A could just convey to a strawman, who then would convey to C, and most jurisdictions have gotten rid of strawman, I think.
Property. Sheesh.
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If the interests did merge for C, wouldn't that destroy the unities...
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fuck the casenote.
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I interrupt this property review to announce: self-schedule is the devil.
"I'll take it Sunday morning..."
"well, maybe I'll take it this evening..."
"Monday wouldn't be bad..."
"I'll take it Sunday morning..."
"well, maybe I'll take it this evening..."
"Monday wouldn't be bad..."
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GTFO of my head.franklyscarlet wrote:I interrupt this property review to announce: self-schedule is the devil.
"I'll take it Sunday morning..."
"well, maybe I'll take it this evening..."
"Monday wouldn't be bad..."
CSWS bloodpact:We're taking em Sunday evening.
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Actually, this is a great idea.Blumpbeef wrote:GTFO of my head.franklyscarlet wrote:I interrupt this property review to announce: self-schedule is the devil.
"I'll take it Sunday morning..."
"well, maybe I'll take it this evening..."
"Monday wouldn't be bad..."
CSWS bloodpact:We're taking em Sunday evening.
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Can someone explain to me how a "Pick 2 out of the 3 problems to answer" can be graded on a curve.
My teacher has no said rubric or anything, but I do not understand how the grades would be calculated.
If 50 people in the class choose 1 & 2, and only 10 choose to answer a combination with question 3, how is it possible to grade those exams against each other?
Am I just mentally fried from exams, or am I missing something?
My teacher has no said rubric or anything, but I do not understand how the grades would be calculated.
If 50 people in the class choose 1 & 2, and only 10 choose to answer a combination with question 3, how is it possible to grade those exams against each other?
Am I just mentally fried from exams, or am I missing something?
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They're all worth the same. Your exam is out of a hundred. Each question is 50 points. You get a score out of fifty relative to whoever did that same problem.Transfer2DC wrote:Can someone explain to me how a "Pick 2 out of the 3 problems to answer" can be graded on a curve.
My teacher has no said rubric or anything, but I do not understand how the grades would be calculated.
If 50 people in the class choose 1 & 2, and only 10 choose to answer a combination with question 3, how is it possible to grade those exams against each other?
Am I just mentally fried from exams, or am I missing something?
If you think one is harder or more time consuming than te others don't do it, you do t get anything for being an hero.
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My sleep schedule is 8am to 3pm. How do I fix this for a 10am final on Tues?
I'm like actually serious lol
I'm like actually serious lol
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Stay awake until 8 pm tomorrow. Sleep until 8 am Tuesday. Hope for the best.Bronck wrote:My sleep schedule is 8am to 3pm. How do I fix this for a 10am final on Tues?
I'm like actually serious lol
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