Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:50 pm

laxbrah420 wrote:You guys can also ask me anything. I'm a 0L and a regular guy


excited about law school???

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm

AZN MegaPoaster wrote:how does it feel to be a failure?


Not too bad actually.

Tried LS, didn't turn out the way I wanted. Now I have other avenues to explore.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby rayiner » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm

I find it hilarious that people are harshing on the OP and trying to rationalize why they won't be like him. To respond to the various implied comments ITT:

1) Outside Y/S, every school has a grade range where you're pretty much fucked. Harvard had to hire a few dozen of its own grads for C/O 2011--no school is immune. See: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=181723.

2) No, law school is not a good place to find yourself. Most of the people there know what they want to do.

3) Going in with a more noble purpose than "doing it for the money" does not make you do better in school. Indeed, an intellectual love for the law is probably negatively correlated with grades. The people who really found the policy discussions intellectually interesting tended not to realize that exams were a game.

4) Within the typical narrow spread at a law school, LSAT/GPA doesn't have any impact on your grades. Between a 168 and a 172, it's a total crapshoot where each will finish in the class.

5) While people who perform at the very bottom tend to put in below a minimum level of effort, and people who perform at the very top tend to put in a very strong effort, within the middle 80% of the class, effort is largely uncorrelated with 1L grades.

OP did the smart thing--he realized he didn't want to be a lawyer and he realized his prospects were marginal so he didn't put good money after bad.
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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby laxbrah420 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm

T14dropout wrote:
laxbrah420 wrote:You guys can also ask me anything. I'm a 0L and a regular guy


excited about law school???

Yes

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby laxbrah420 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm

AZN MegaPoaster wrote:how does it feel to be a failure?

I'm not a failure

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:55 pm

rayiner wrote:I find it hilarious that people are harshing on the OP and trying to rationalize why they won't be like him. To respond to the various implied comments ITT:

1-5

OP did the smart thing--he realized he didn't want to be a lawyer and he realized his prospects were marginal so he didn't put good money after bad.


Actually, the smart thing would have been dropping out after first semester once I realized LS/law was not a good fit for me. I decided to stick it out and try to get my grades over that magical median cutoff line and ended up throwing away another 25k+

But thanks haha

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Cade McNown » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:55 pm

T14dropout wrote:1) Not UVA
2) I have a plan, just don't want to detail it on TLS
3) I'm not saying anyone should listen to me, it was an AMA.


1. Despite desire for anonymity you've already ruled out half the t14
2. bullshit
3. In AMA threads, the point is that OP actually answers questions asked.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:57 pm

Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:1) Not UVA
2) I have a plan, just don't want to detail it on TLS
3) I'm not saying anyone should listen to me, it was an AMA.


1. Despite desire for anonymity you've already ruled out half the t14
2. bullshit
3. In AMA threads, the point is that OP actually answers questions asked.


1. Okay.
2. Okay.
3. Okay.

Where's the problem here?

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Bildungsroman » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:58 pm

Broseidon wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
tracy77 wrote:do you need to memorize many things(details) to prepare for the cold call or exams? do you think other students enjoy the studying (or law)?

Yes.
Some of them.

And they become professors.

idk, I enjoy studying the law and I have no desire to become a professor. Likewise, I've met some biglawyers who genuinely enjoyed their legal education (and sometimes for the education part). I think TLS invests a little too strongly in the too-cool-for-school mentality that you have to hate law school and think the material you study is worthless.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Renne Walker » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:59 pm

rayiner wrote:
Renne Walker wrote:If you do not want to disclose your school, can you narrow it down to a T-14 cell. Even with less than stout grades it isn’t all that impossible to land somewhere pretty decent, especially in the upper 14. You must have a A-, B+ here and there, right?


If you're bottom 10%, outside Y/S the odds are against you, and outside YSHC, it'll take a miracle.

True. I was just trying to be encouraging (against all odds!). Especially since those in the bottom third could be drawn to this thread’s title. Actually, I do not know where the [too below median] gray line exists in trying to determine OCI success chances.
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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Cade McNown » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:03 pm

T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:05 pm

Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^


It's an "ask me anything."

Not a "I know everything there is to law school, here allow me to share my insights with you."

For obvious reasons, I'm not getting too specific. But I do weigh 175 pounds.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:07 pm

T14dropout wrote:
Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^


It's an "ask me anything."

Not a "I know everything there is to law school, here allow me to share my insights with you."

For obvious reasons, I'm not getting too specific. But I do weigh 175 pounds.


If you stop answering this fucking idiot he might go away. Also +1000000000 to douches like this in law school.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:08 pm

Mike12188 wrote:
T14dropout wrote:
Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^


It's an "ask me anything."

Not a "I know everything there is to law school, here allow me to share my insights with you."

For obvious reasons, I'm not getting too specific. But I do weigh 175 pounds.


If you stop answering this fucking idiot he might go away. Also +1000000000 to douches like this in law school.


:D

also love iron mike

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby AZN MegaPoaster » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:08 pm

laxbrah420 wrote:
AZN MegaPoaster wrote:how does it feel to be a failure?

I'm not a failure


heh, talk to me after exams next fall

Just kidding. Good luck, dude

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby delusional » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:09 pm

Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. If I were facing that situation I would want the input of someone else who was going through the same thing. If I were worried that I might end up in that situation, I would want to know what his experience was like. It doesn't seem all that difficult to explain why people might listen to himbe interested in his point of view, except maybe to uber-TLSers who won't give a dude the time of day, unless they are somehow convinced by a series of anonymous posts that the dude has larger law school genitalia.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby rayiner » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:09 pm

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby Mike12188 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:11 pm

rayiner wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:If you stop answering this fucking idiot he might go away. Also +1000000000 to douches like this in law school.


Berating OP isn't going to change the fact that whatever school you get into will have graduated 1/4 to 1/3 of their classes into crappy jobs or no jobs last year.


I think you quoted the wrong one.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby beachbum » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:12 pm

Cade McNown wrote:
T14dropout wrote:Where's the problem here?

Cade McNown wrote:Why should anyone listen to you?

The problem is that 3 pages provide no answer to ^


Why not listen to him? Dude has a story that's pretty unique to TLS, so I'm not sure why you're getting your panties in a twist over him taking questions about it.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby sunynp » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:14 pm

What made you consider law school in the first place? Was it just that you happened to take the LSAT and do well?

Did you have any work experience before you went to law school?

How much did you know about the employment market before you started school? (did you go in with a plan to drop out if you were below median, or did you figure that out later?)

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby rayiner » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:14 pm

Mike12188 wrote:I think you quoted the wrong one.


You're right.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby marmot8 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:16 pm

do you think the poor grades will be an issue in the future when applying to non-legal jobs?

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby T14dropout » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:19 pm

sunynp wrote:What made you consider law school in the first place? Was it just that you happened to take the LSAT and do well?

Did you have any work experience before you went to law school?

How much did you know about the employment market before you started school? (did you go in with a plan to drop out if you were below median, or did you figure that out later?)


1) I suppose I could try to blame other people and say I was nudged towards it by my parents, but ultimately it was my decision. It seemed like the type of stuff that I was capable of doing/skilled at and paid well. Once I got into a T14 school, my fate was pretty much sealed

2) Screening for Northwestern, I see. Yes, I had some work experience prior to law school.

3) I was an avid reader of TLS/ATL/etc prior to starting school. So I knew exactly "how to do well" (according to other TLS'ers) but I managed to screw it up somehow. But yeah, I knew about the sorry state of the legal employment market and in my arrogance thought that I could easily make it to median and pull a biglaw job. And the plan going in was to drop out if I was moderately below median - I should have implemented it after first semester though.

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby IAFG » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:21 pm

Congratulations and best wishes!

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Re: Dropped out of a T14 law school, ask me anything

Postby sunynp » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:21 pm

T14dropout wrote:
sunynp wrote:What made you consider law school in the first place? Was it just that you happened to take the LSAT and do well?

Did you have any work experience before you went to law school?

How much did you know about the employment market before you started school? (did you go in with a plan to drop out if you were below median, or did you figure that out later?)


1) I suppose I could try to blame other people and say I was nudged towards it by my parents, but ultimately it was my decision. It seemed like the type of stuff that I was capable of doing/skilled at and paid well. Once I got into a T14 school, my fate was pretty much sealed

2) Screening for Northwestern, I see. Yes, I had some work experience prior to law school.

3) I was an avid reader of TLS/ATL/etc prior to starting school. So I knew exactly "how to do well" (according to other TLS'ers) but I managed to screw it up somehow. But yeah, I knew about the sorry state of the legal employment market and in my arrogance thought that I could easily make it to median and pull a biglaw job. And the plan going in was to drop out if I was moderately below median - I should have implemented it after first semester though.


No I wasn't screening for Northwestern. I wondered if work experience affected the way you handled law school. I think having outside work experience might have made you more confident in dropping out. Obviously there are other students at T14s who should drop out, but they will continue anyway. Possibly having been successful at another job, or having had any other job, at least gives people an idea of what to do if they drop out.
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