What is the Median at Your LS?

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What is the Median at Your LS?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:16 pm

3.45
4
3%
3.4
5
4%
3.35
5
4%
3.3
37
31%
3.25
12
10%
3.2
15
13%
3.15
5
4%
3.1
6
5%
3.0
18
15%
Under 3
11
9%
 
Total votes: 118

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What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:16 pm

Topic Title pretty much says it all. Would ask if you noted/posted your school ― that would be helpful. If your LS does not divulge its median, take your best guess.

If your best guess turns out wrong, you can repost.

(Not every possibility is listed, come as close as you can). Thanks.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:34 pm


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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:23 pm

Thanks. I wonder how old that info is. Doesn't the median change every grading period?

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:10 pm

The median is chosen by the school. Grades are curved to result in that median (at least approximately. I don't know how exact it is.)

That's not to say that schools can't decide to change their chosen median for some reason, so the list could still be out of date.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:10 pm

177

Also, the poll options don't go high enough to allow Cornell students to accurately answer.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:35 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:The median is chosen by the school. Grades are curved to result in that median (at least approximately. I don't know how exact it is.)

Again, thanks.

Pardon my naïveté, but can you explain the logic?

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby shock259 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:37 pm

The easiest way to understand it is that most students will get the median grade, some students will get a little above or below the median, and a very select group will get far above or below the median.

Because all school's do different things with their medians (and many schools have raised theirs significantly to make it look like their students all get B+s), employers look exclusively to your class rank, as a percentage.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:48 pm

shock259 wrote:The easiest way to understand it is that most students will get the median grade, some students will get a little above or below the median, and a very select group will get far above or below the median.

Because all school's do different things with their medians (and many schools have raised theirs significantly to make it look like their students all get B+s), employers look exclusively to your class rank, as a percentage.

Problem is, some schools do not divulge class rank, or GPA for that matter, so median becomes the barometer. An OCI interviewer (on another thread) says he has to estimate median from the grades.

Bildungsroman wrote:177

Also, the poll options don't go high enough to allow Cornell students to accurately answer.

According to the above posted link, Cornell 3.35.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Bildungsroman » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:58 am

Pate wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:177

Also, the poll options don't go high enough to allow Cornell students to accurately answer.

According to the above posted link, Cornell 3.35.

lol, 3.35 may be what employers think but I'm told recent grading changes make the median almost 3.5

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby de5igual » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:20 pm

the link is the median that's suggested for each class/course. the overall median for a class year may be higher or lower and can shift from year to year.

For example, UT curves to a 3.3, but the 1L median is usually around a 3.35, by 2L, it goes to 3.4, and by 3L, it moves to 3.45.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby kalvano » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:23 pm

LOL at some of the medians in this thread. The median for my class at SMU right now is 3.092.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Less than 24 hours to participate. Thanks.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby jurisx » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:37 pm

I love how some law schools make in virtually impossible to fail even if you show up in a coma. Good stuff.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby rayiner » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:42 pm

Pate wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:The median is chosen by the school. Grades are curved to result in that median (at least approximately. I don't know how exact it is.)

Again, thanks.

Pardon my naïveté, but can you explain the logic?


So the median # of sexual partners of students in a law school class is something the school has no control over. It'll change every year depending on the makeup of the student body.

The median GPA, however, is entirely up to the school. That's because grades are defined relative to the median. There is no such thing as an "A" exam or a "B" exam, that has inherent "A"-ness or "B"-ness. Your professors will grade your exam relative to your classmates' exams. So if the school has a B+ median, the professor will take all the middle of the pack exams and give them a B+. He will take the exams that are a bit worse than that and give them a B. He will take the exams that are a bit better than that and give them an A-, etc. If the school had a B median, the professor would take those exact same exams and give them a B, give the exams below that group a B-, the exams above that group a B+, etc.

The median ends up being the school's target median because professors assign grades to meet that target median.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Bildungsroman » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:38 pm

rayiner wrote:"A"-ness

Say this out loud.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby jessuf » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:00 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
rayiner wrote:"A"-ness

Say this out loud.


:lol:

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby shock259 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:33 pm

jurisx wrote:I love how some law schools make in virtually impossible to fail even if you show up in a coma. Good stuff.


Then they can milk your money for another two years and tell you that you are a special little flower and that you'll find a job if you just try hard enough.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:46 pm

Last chance to participate. . .

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby jurisx » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:19 pm

Pate wrote:Last chance to participate. . .

Really, Really,........wow I better hurry up........ :roll:

why even give it a time limit?

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Perseus_I » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:40 pm

At my school, the median for each course is 3.3. But the composite median rises from about 3.35 after the first year to about 3.4 at graduation. The top quarter actually drops slightly to about 3.6 by graduation. The point is the use of language on this thread needs to be more precise. The important number is not the individual course median given by Wikipedia but the overall median. At 3.34, you may think you're above median, but maybe you're really not.

At the higher levels, the gap grows. Getting an A- in a class means you're only in the top 3rd in that class but having a 3.7 gpa is top 15% according to our CSO. I'm sure these sorts of things happen at every school.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby jurisx » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:40 pm

Perseus_I wrote:At my school, the median for each course is 3.3. But the composite median rises from about 3.35 after the first year to about 3.4 at graduation. The top quarter actually drops slightly to about 3.6 by graduation. The point is the use of language on this thread needs to be more precise. The important number is not the individual course median given by Wikipedia but the overall median. At 3.34, you may think you're above median, but maybe you're really not.

At the higher levels, the gap grows. Getting an A- in a class means you're only in the top 3rd in that class but having a 3.7 gpa is top 15% according to our CSO. I'm sure these sorts of things happen at every school.


top third is an A-? Dang that means I can get a B with a brain injury and a seizure mid exam. Awsome.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Perseus_I » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:54 pm

jurisx wrote:
Perseus_I wrote:At my school, the median for each course is 3.3. But the composite median rises from about 3.35 after the first year to about 3.4 at graduation. The top quarter actually drops slightly to about 3.6 by graduation. The point is the use of language on this thread needs to be more precise. The important number is not the individual course median given by Wikipedia but the overall median. At 3.34, you may think you're above median, but maybe you're really not.

At the higher levels, the gap grows. Getting an A- in a class means you're only in the top 3rd in that class but having a 3.7 gpa is top 15% according to our CSO. I'm sure these sorts of things happen at every school.


top third is an A-? Dang that means I can get a B with a brain injury and a seizure mid exam. Awsome.


Pretty much. It can be hard to break out of the B+ pile, however, since nearly 40-50% of each class gets a B+. Contrary to popular belief, only some UT students are stupid. Anyone at median is fairly smart, though the bottom of the class is full of idiots (like the guy who got 2/300 on Torts last year, writing only one paragraph).

We ought to have a saying along the lines of "The top of the class is Harvard [we have our share of Supreme Court clerks and Cravath associates], but the bottom of the class is McDonalds [we have our share of those too]." When people say "you CAN do very well coming from UT," they really mean that we are so big, we have the entire spectrum of U.S. News rankings encapsulated in one school.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby ninereal » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:45 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
rayiner wrote:"A"-ness

Say this out loud.


At Harvard and Yale, it'd be inherent "P"-ness.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby Pate » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:08 pm

Thanks for participating in this little poll. As somewhat anticipated, 3.3 is the leading median cell. 55% of median is under 3.3. Dozens of ways to slice n’ dice the findings, including 24% at 3.0, or under.

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Re: What is the Median at Your LS?

Postby jurisx » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:48 pm

3.3 ..........NASA CONSPIRACY......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........... :evil:




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