Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

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Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby sushirob39 » Mon May 07, 2012 8:48 pm

Does this happen at your schools? What percent would you say? In my section of 60ish ppl, 12 are getting extra time this semester. Some of those ppl have mysteriously developed "ADD" in the past semester. Not to be insensitive to those who actually do suffer from learning disabilities, but what's the point in giving these ppl extra time? When you have to file a brief by a certain time, a court won't care whether you're ADD or not.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby luckyjd » Mon May 07, 2012 9:16 pm

everyone and their mother have a learning disability nowadays... or just have a doctor friend willing to diagnose. i haven't seen anyone in my section get extra time, but i presume if they get extra time they wouldn't be taking the exam with the rest of us, so i wouldn't notice anyways.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby jessuf » Mon May 07, 2012 9:29 pm

Wtf? No one in my section got extra time. One person's finals were postponed because they had a family emergency that caused them to miss a few weeks of school, but everyone else got the allotted time.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby evilxs » Mon May 07, 2012 9:36 pm

This is pretty similar to another thread today. It happens all of the time. Nothing is going to be done about it; and hey those students aren't your concern. Your focus is making sure you do the best you can do.

The ones who get the extra time at my school aren't even on the honors list. Doesn't do them much good. Untimed exams and they can't even pull a B average.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby TTH » Mon May 07, 2012 11:42 pm

evilxs wrote:This is pretty similar to another thread today. It happens all of the time. Nothing is going to be done about it; and hey those students aren't your concern. Your focus is making sure you do the best you can do.

The ones who get the extra time at my school aren't even on the honors list. Doesn't do them much good. Untimed exams and they can't even pull a B average.


OH HAY MAYBE THEY HAVE A LEARNING DISABILITY OR SOMETHING?

Law students, lulz.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby NYC2014 » Mon May 07, 2012 11:48 pm

I wonder if the grading professor gets told which exams were written by students who had more time. They might normalize grades that way.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby truevines » Mon May 07, 2012 11:55 pm

sushirob39 wrote:Does this happen at your schools? What percent would you say? In my section of 60ish ppl, 12 are getting extra time this semester. Some of those ppl have mysteriously developed "ADD" in the past semester. Not to be insensitive to those who actually do suffer from learning disabilities, but what's the point in giving these ppl extra time? When you have to file a brief by a certain time, a court won't care whether you're ADD or not.


Kinda strange that you complained about this, but not about those people who have partner godfathers or godmothers at V5 firms, or who have trust funds and don't bother to come to law school.

Suck it up, bro. Nothing's fair.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Tue May 08, 2012 12:03 am

I made a thread about this very same topic in December if you're interested.

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174115&

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby Extension_Cord » Tue May 08, 2012 12:07 am

how do you know if someone gets extra time? Do they not take the exam in the same room?

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Tue May 08, 2012 12:14 am

Extension_Cord wrote:how do you know if someone gets extra time? Do they not take the exam in the same room?

They don't.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby I.P. Daly » Tue May 08, 2012 12:15 am

I don't really care one way or another, but how does this work in real life?

Do courts provide more time to attorneys that provide doctors notices regarding things like ADD/ADHD?

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Tue May 08, 2012 12:19 am

I.P. Daly wrote:I don't really care one way or another, but how does this work in real life?

Do courts provide more time to attorneys that provide doctors notices regarding things like ADD/ADHD?

Check out the thread I linked a few poasts above for a pretty lengthy discussion of this, but no, they don't. Nor will you find anything in the FRCP for extended time from the usual filing periods (30 days, 60 days, etc) to compensate for them. This was part of the argument in that thread.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby AVBucks4239 » Tue May 08, 2012 12:37 am

I have a good friend who has ADHD and gets extended time for exams.

He pulls his weight in a study group (that I'm not in) with three students in the top 15%. He can tell you literally anything you need to know before an exam, he's really smart.

I've talked to him post-exam, assumed he did well, and he says stuff like, "I literally blacked out for over an hour. I didn't even know what I was writing and had to go back and change everything." Another time he said, "I literally forget everything as soon as I sat down. All I could think of was [class B] instead of [class I was taking the final for."

Anecdotal evidence, I know, but I think more people need the extra time than those who abuse the system.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby evilxs » Tue May 08, 2012 12:59 am

TTH wrote:
evilxs wrote:This is pretty similar to another thread today. It happens all of the time. Nothing is going to be done about it; and hey those students aren't your concern. Your focus is making sure you do the best you can do.

The ones who get the extra time at my school aren't even on the honors list. Doesn't do them much good. Untimed exams and they can't even pull a B average.


OH HAY MAYBE THEY HAVE A LEARNING DISABILITY OR SOMETHING?

Law students, lulz.



No shit sherlock. That is my point. OP needs to get over it, it is not like they're killing his grade.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby sundance95 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:06 am

AVBucks4239 wrote:I have a good friend who has ADHD and gets extended time for exams.

He pulls his weight in a study group (that I'm not in) with three students in the top 15%. He can tell you literally anything you need to know before an exam, he's really smart.

I've talked to him post-exam, assumed he did well, and he says stuff like, "I literally blacked out for over an hour. I didn't even know what I was writing and had to go back and change everything." Another time he said, "I literally forget everything as soon as I sat down. All I could think of was [class B] instead of [class I was taking the final for."

Anecdotal evidence, I know, but I think more people need the extra time than those who abuse the system.

Or maybe, just maybe, someone who can't write a document without forgetting what they are doing shouldn't be an attorney at all, seeing as how they are malpractice waiting to happen.

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Postby shock259 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:25 am

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby AVBucks4239 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:39 am

sundance95 wrote:
AVBucks4239 wrote:I have a good friend who has ADHD and gets extended time for exams.

He pulls his weight in a study group (that I'm not in) with three students in the top 15%. He can tell you literally anything you need to know before an exam, he's really smart.

I've talked to him post-exam, assumed he did well, and he says stuff like, "I literally blacked out for over an hour. I didn't even know what I was writing and had to go back and change everything." Another time he said, "I literally forget everything as soon as I sat down. All I could think of was [class B] instead of [class I was taking the final for."

Anecdotal evidence, I know, but I think more people need the extra time than those who abuse the system.

Or maybe, just maybe, someone who can't write a document without forgetting what they are doing shouldn't be an attorney at all, seeing as how they are malpractice waiting to happen.

You're right, especially since his partner will likely give him a three hour issue spotter a few times a month.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby 09042014 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:40 am

sundance95 wrote:
AVBucks4239 wrote:I have a good friend who has ADHD and gets extended time for exams.

He pulls his weight in a study group (that I'm not in) with three students in the top 15%. He can tell you literally anything you need to know before an exam, he's really smart.

I've talked to him post-exam, assumed he did well, and he says stuff like, "I literally blacked out for over an hour. I didn't even know what I was writing and had to go back and change everything." Another time he said, "I literally forget everything as soon as I sat down. All I could think of was [class B] instead of [class I was taking the final for."

Anecdotal evidence, I know, but I think more people need the extra time than those who abuse the system.

Or maybe, just maybe, someone who can't write a document without forgetting what they are doing shouldn't be an attorney at all, seeing as how they are malpractice waiting to happen.


Well if an extra hour allows them to slam your ass on the curve they probably should be.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby eandy » Tue May 08, 2012 3:15 am

The difference in extra time for an exam and extra time for filing something with a court is that you are given exactly the amount of time it takes to the do the exam(for someone without a disability) in the exam period. For filing something with a court, you are given more time than it takes to actually create the document. Extra time is not needed.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby D-hops » Tue May 08, 2012 3:18 am

eandy wrote:The difference in extra time for an exam and extra time for filing something with a court is that you are given exactly the amount of time it takes to the do the exam(for someone without a disability) in the exam period. For filing something with a court, you are given more time than it takes to actually create the document. Extra time is not needed.


This. The "don't get extra time in real life" is such a stupid argument.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby Extension_Cord » Tue May 08, 2012 3:40 am

eandy wrote:The difference in extra time for an exam and extra time for filing something with a court is that you are given exactly the amount of time it takes to the do the exam(for someone without a disability) in the exam period. For filing something with a court, you are given more time than it takes to actually create the document. Extra time is not needed.


If you have 30 days to file something with the court, you aren't sitting around for 30 days focusing on one thing. Attorneys manage hundreds of files at once. If it takes an attorney an extra hour to focus on each task that can cause problems.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby D-hops » Tue May 08, 2012 3:56 am

Extension_Cord wrote:
eandy wrote:The difference in extra time for an exam and extra time for filing something with a court is that you are given exactly the amount of time it takes to the do the exam(for someone without a disability) in the exam period. For filing something with a court, you are given more time than it takes to actually create the document. Extra time is not needed.


If you have 30 days to file something with the court, you aren't sitting around for 30 days focusing on one thing. Attorneys manage hundreds of files at once. If it takes an attorney an extra hour to focus on each task that can cause problems.


Maybe the attorney can understand how long things will take them and, oh, I don't know, manage their case load accordingly.

Also, no attorneys are working literally 24/7, there is wiggle room for you to put in extra work to make up for it when filing a brief. There is not usually any wiggle room on a 3-hour issue spotter exam.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby eandy » Tue May 08, 2012 3:59 am

Extension_Cord wrote:
eandy wrote:The difference in extra time for an exam and extra time for filing something with a court is that you are given exactly the amount of time it takes to the do the exam(for someone without a disability) in the exam period. For filing something with a court, you are given more time than it takes to actually create the document. Extra time is not needed.


If you have 30 days to file something with the court, you aren't sitting around for 30 days focusing on one thing. Attorneys manage hundreds of files at once. If it takes an attorney an extra hour to focus on each task that can cause problems.

Holy exaggeration, Batman! Most lawyers do NOT have hundreds of files or tasks to complete at any given moment. It also doesn't take most people with ADD an "extra hour to focus on each task."
At the end of the day you guys are resentful of someone who has a learning disability getting the accommodations that they need and legally are entitled to. Many people with learning disabilities "seem normal" or "don't seem like they need extra time" because people like you make statements to make them seem incompetent. They go through great pains to hide or downplay their disability.
As someone with legal experience in this field, let me tell you that people who in official testing (and not just for ADD, for other learning disabilities as well) score very poorly may sometimes seem "super normal" in everyday interactions. Don't be a jerk.

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby TTTLS » Tue May 08, 2012 4:12 am

Strangely enough, I think a lot of people who have gone untreated for learning disabilities their entire lives don't find out about it until law school. [Not sarcastic]

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Re: Abuse of "disability" status to get more time on finals

Postby bceagles182 » Tue May 08, 2012 4:16 am

There are seriously hundreds of threads about this on TLS. Did you really have to make another one?




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