The whole point is that if you study harder and smarter then you will be able to hit that ceiling, then reasoning and writing ability come into play. Addy can help you utilize your time effectively which will allow you to practice these skills.

For that, it just depends on the professor. Some just want you to get to the point. Others want over-analysis of every philosophical angle.

In any event, I have to get off here because I have an 8 hour take home exam tomorrow that I haven't outlined or studied for. I've got about 12 study-hours left in the day, which gives me 1 hour for each chapter, plus an hour for dinner.

Knowing the way things go, it will probably be my best grade.

You don't even really need to study hard or smart to understand the BLL -- that's the point. The analysis part, where you get most of your points, is more about creativity than studying.

you get creativity by studying the concepts

there's two ways adderall could go: it stimulates you and you become more efficient or you get the paradoxical effect if you actually have ADHD and then you calm down and can concentrate more. it's a miracle drug and anybody who knocks it is a dickbag.

third way is you take too much, but that's not really a knock on the drug.

It doesn't surprise me that somebody who think addy is the best way to learn things doesn't understand creativity and analyzing problems and coming up with multiple solutions.

+1.

you build those talents by practicing and studying addy helps you do that...why is that so hard for you to understand

some people simply like to think of themselves as superior, and so they look down on others for taking advantage of *somewhat* illegitimate avenues for enhancement.

If you have to take a somewhat illegitimate avenue for for enhancement, isn't that kind of a tacit admission that you're inferior? Unless you think everybody else is bending the rules in their favor as well and you do it just to keep up, I don't see how it isn't.

My argument is that I really don't think it would help anyway. I could care less if people do it. It's not anymore "illegitimate" than going out and buying a commercial outline or getting one from someone who booked the class the year before. And I've done both of the latter.

well, for one, your argument is wrong.

but, how would taking adderall be a tacit admission of inferiority? it'd be more of an insurance policy, especially when you know other people are taking it. the shit is magic.

why arbitrarily deny yourself an element of the competition? ...and here is where the high horse you like to keep yourself on comes into play.

there is always going to be someone who is better than you at something. Taking addy for some is a way to lesson that chance.

This is horrible reasoning. Cheating on an exam is a way to lessen that chance as well but I doubt you advocate for that.

And I'm not saying that taking addy is the equivalent of cheating, I'm just saying your reasoning sucks.

Do it.

I definitely look down on people who feel the need to pop pills to focus on an exam. Seems like inferiority or weakness to me. Am I perfect? Of course not. I have my own weaknesses and imperfections (quite a few of them). But I judge myself just as harshly as I judge others (though I usually keep my judgments of others to myself). Things like addictions, and a need for artificial "help" are the types of things I've always looked down on, even if I'm not always above it.

nice edit.

but, how are those grades looking?

Good enough that I don't need pills to help, I guess

i doubt anyone is claiming that they NEED pills here.

That seems like a mighty condemnation for a 0L.

are you top 5? if not I think the pills would help you bro/sis.

a test is a test is a test is a test.

adderall is merely able to help suppress bodily desires, such as the need for food, sleep, and distraction. as long as you prepare for the study period (sleep beforehand and afterwards, eat before you start your study session, and prepare a spot to work in), adderall can't not help.

now, there are studies that say that memories formed on amphetamines are stronger, but there are also studies that have contrary claims.

Well, for one, this is wrong.

I think there's a point where it stops helping: when you and your peers are smart enough to grasp and learn the material and apply it without a ridiculous amount of effort, which I think is definitely true of my peers in classes like torts and crim, though probably not fedcourts, and maybe classes like property or conlaw. I do concede, however, that if you and your peers aren't bright enough to do that, then perhaps the pills will fill the gap.

The curve sucks because come exam time, everyone knows how to do it. There's just a lot of difference in what kind of mode people can get into for the exam. I don't think I'm necessarily smarter or knew the material better or had better raw analytical ability than the people I beat on the curve, I think I was just in a better zone during the exam and do well under pressure.

ETA:

This is also why the "I'm going to go to a terrible law school, study really hard, get great grades, and transfer up" idea is ridiculous. It's not effort that separates people out, so this plan has all sorts of holes.

Whereas I'm old school and believe that the power of the mind itself is far stronger than fake help like that. You would be amazed at what your body can do when you tell yourself that it can be done. Now, I'm not talking Matrix-style shit, but you know what I mean. The need for food/sleep, the tendency to become distracted, etc. are all things that, if you are in the right state of mind, and if you train your mind properly, can be pushed aside.