Today was "Match Day" for med students...

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Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby LawBrah » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:26 pm

Today 4th year medical students found out where they will train for residency and what type of doctor they'll become. All of my med school friends won't stfu about it...it's literally all over my Facebook feed.... but I guess I can't blame them since it is a pretty big deal.

So why the hell doesn't Law have something like this? (no, OCI does not count).

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Mal Reynolds » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:32 pm

Because the legal field =/= medical field?

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby ph14 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:32 pm

LawBrah wrote:Today 4th year medical students found out where they will train for residency and what type of doctor they'll become. All of my med school friends won't stfu about it...it's literally all over my Facebook feed.... but I guess I can't blame them since it is a pretty big deal.

So why the hell doesn't Law have something like this? (no, OCI does not count).


So you'd rather have someone match you up with a field rather than choose yourself?

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby lobolawyer » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:34 pm

Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Mr. Pancakes » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:43 pm

lobolawyer wrote:Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

...and freeing the slaves.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby minnbills » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:43 pm

ph14 wrote:
So you'd rather have someone match you up with a field rather than choose yourself?


If it guaranteed me a good job, yes.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby LawBrah » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:56 pm

ph14 wrote:So you'd rather have someone match you up with a field rather than choose yourself?



It's more of a camaraderie thing. No one in your class knows where they're going to spend the next 3-7 years of their lives and you all find out together at the same time. That really builds a bond IMO. The Match system also seems very efficient and takes the stress out of considering multiple job offers on multiple deadlines while waiting for more attractive job offers to come in.

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Postby cinephile » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:59 pm

minnbills wrote:
ph14 wrote:
So you'd rather have someone match you up with a field rather than choose yourself?


If it guaranteed me a good job, yes.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby ph14 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:59 pm

LawBrah wrote:
ph14 wrote:So you'd rather have someone match you up with a field rather than choose yourself?



It's more of a camaraderie thing. No one in your class knows where they're going to spend the next 3-7 years of their lives and you all find out together at the same time. That really builds a bond IMO. The Match system also seems very efficient and takes the stress out of considering multiple job offers on multiple deadlines while waiting for more attractive job offers to come in.


I'd rather be able to pick what I want to do rather than have someone pick it for me. Although I can see how that would be exciting.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby FryBreadPower » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:16 pm

LawBrah wrote:Today 4th year medical students found out where they will train for residency and what type of doctor they'll become. All of my med school friends won't stfu about it...it's literally all over my Facebook feed.... but I guess I can't blame them since it is a pretty big deal.

So why the hell doesn't Law have something like this?
(no, OCI does not count).


Finds it annoying....


but yet wants it for law school...


Wut?

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby dextermorgan » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:21 pm

Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Davidbentley » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:39 pm

Let's just have a draft. Who would be our Mel Kiper?

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby de5igual » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:52 pm

dextermorgan wrote:Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.


i always hear about the near-100% employment figures thrown around on tls. what happens to those who go unmatched?

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Postby Unitas » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:55 pm

f0bolous wrote:
dextermorgan wrote:Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.


i always hear about the near-100% employment figures thrown around on tls. what happens to those who go unmatched?


It depends... Generally when someone goes unmatched they had chosen a specific field/hospital list they didn't have the grades/credentials for. They then have a week or something to try and line up a less desirable specific field. I believe they get a heads up warning in advance they are not matched and then have time to try and match. Yeah, it sucks for them but I've never personally heard of a US trained MD not getting something.

However, sometimes (I've only read stories for foreign MDs) they can go entirely unmatched for years and end up trying to do other things before being matched.

I'm surprised the legal field has never considered it.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:05 pm

The problem with the legal field is that there are far too many graduates each year to do this.

It's regrettable.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby TUP » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:10 pm

f0bolous wrote:
dextermorgan wrote:Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.


i always hear about the near-100% employment figures thrown around on tls. what happens to those who go unmatched?


Scramble for primary care. Seems pretty miserable after spending 4 years and racking up $300k debt to become a surgeon or sub-specialist to be locked into primary care for years, but that's how it works AFAIK.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby LawBrah » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:43 am

dextermorgan wrote:Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.



Not a lottery at all. You apply to programs and rank the ones that offer you interviews. The schools in turn rank their interviewees. Then they put all the rankings into a computer and make it applicant driven so they place you at your top choice program but if that program likes other candidates who also like them you could get bumped down to your second choice, rinse and repeat until you match somewhere on your list where no one can bump you off......it's actually pretty elegant and efficient IMO....like an LSAT logic games question - --LinkRemoved--

Yeah it's possible to go unmatched but if you go to a US school it's very slim (like 5%). It's like 50% if you go to the Caribbean or something though.

Would love for Biglaw firms to do this....

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby lobolawyer » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 am

Meh. Resident pay is low and the experience is quasi still part of Med School.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Borhas » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:03 am

LawBrah wrote:Today 4th year medical students found out where they will train for residency and what type of doctor they'll become. All of my med school friends won't stfu about it...it's literally all over my Facebook feed.... but I guess I can't blame them since it is a pretty big deal.

So why the hell doesn't Law have something like this? (no, OCI does not count).


because the legal field is less protectionist than med school, and because med school is a better predictor of competence for medicine than law school is for lawyering

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Flash » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:32 pm

lobolawyer wrote:Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

Professions should regress rather than progress.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby LawBrah » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:52 pm

Flash wrote:
lobolawyer wrote:Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

Professions should regress rather than progress.



When exactly did med overtake law? I know in the 50's and 60's they were considered "sister professions"....and while law still has some lay prestige like med the job security and $$$ just isn't there overall. Can the ABA do anything to counteract this?

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Stanford4Me » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Not sure if srs...

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Advice Dog » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:10 pm

LawBrah wrote:
Flash wrote:
lobolawyer wrote:Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

Professions should regress rather than progress.



When exactly did med overtake law? I know in the 50's and 60's they were considered "sister professions"....and while law still has some lay prestige like med the job security and $$$ just isn't there overall. Can the ABA do anything to counteract this?


Dearest Law Braaah,

You see, the ABA is already doing everything it can to enhance the viability of our profession by ensuring the proliferation of as many quality law schools as possible. Once every state in the nation has at least 15 law schools we should begin to reclaim our prestige! Only once fully 50% of Americans have spent $150,000 on JD programs that spend three years teaching abstract critical-basket-weaving theories about law will we be again considered a worthwhile profession.

Yours, etc.

Advice Dog

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby lobolawyer » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:27 pm

LawBrah wrote:
Flash wrote:
lobolawyer wrote:Because we're intellectually superior. While the forefathers of doctors were putting leeches on George Washington's a$$, the forefathers of lawyers were busy writing the Constitution. 8)

Professions should regress rather than progress.



When exactly did med overtake law? I know in the 50's and 60's they were considered "sister professions"....and while law still has some lay prestige like med the job security and $$$ just isn't there overall. Can the ABA do anything to counteract this?


I still think law is on par with medicine.

However, our decline started with the post 60s defunding of public interest positions. Up to that point, lawyers could earn a similar salary in public interest or government that they could in pvt pract. and many of these jobs were available. Combined with the explosion of tuition prices and over saturation of the market for pvt attys in the past 20 yrs, we now have an undeserved public sector and too many attys vying for the same jobs.

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Re: Today was "Match Day" for med students...

Postby Lwoods » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:55 pm

TUP wrote:
f0bolous wrote:
dextermorgan wrote:Isn't match day essentially a lottery?

Also, it is entirely possible to go unmatched.


i always hear about the near-100% employment figures thrown around on tls. what happens to those who go unmatched?


Scramble for primary care. Seems pretty miserable after spending 4 years and racking up $300k debt to become a surgeon or sub-specialist to be locked into primary care for years, but that's how it works AFAIK.


It's actually still possible to scramble for specialty spots, but there are far fewer of those (my ex's year, I think there were only, like, 5 unfilled orthopedic surgery spots in the country). Some take a year off to do research and reapply. You're also not necessarily stuck in primary care, either, if you scramble into that. For 3 years, maybe, but then you can still do a fellowship after that. Transfers in residency are also possible (though fairly rare).




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