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Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Breezin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:21 am

what happened to "is"

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby NYC Law » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:23 am

utilize too (as opposed to 'use').

If we don't use big words, people will figure out just how overpaid lawyers really are.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:24 am

lawyers are bad people.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Mce252 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:27 am

Constitute does not have the same exact meaning as the word "is".

For example:

Organs, flesh, and blood constitute the body.

She is extremely sexy.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby NYC Law » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:28 am

Side note, but know what grinds my gears? When people strike out things with a FTFY, and the change adds nothing of comic or actual value.


Bildungsroman wrote:lawyers law students are bad people.


FTFY



...

These "FTFY" bastards always go unchallenged, since the infraction is so minor and we've become complacent. But, well, now I'm saying something. Deal with it.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Breezin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:37 am

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby LawMan20 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:41 am

Breezin wrote:what happened to "is"


I've been wondering the same thing. The above posters seem to have a good grasp on why law students talk like that. I'm sure there are other reasons, though.

Cracking topic, by the way. Well worth pursuing.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby DaftAndDirect » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:52 am

Mce252 wrote:Constitute does not have the same exact meaning as the word "is".

For example:

Organs, flesh, and blood constitute are the body.

She is extremely sexy.


Don't forget the sexy plural cousin of "is".

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby MachineLemon » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:06 am

DaftAndDirect wrote:
Mce252 wrote:Constitute does not have the same exact meaning as the word "is".

For example:

Organs, flesh, and blood constitute are the body.

She is extremely sexy.


Don't forget the sexy plural cousin of "is".


No

"Constitute" implies some order or interaction of the particulars which, taken along with those particulars, is sufficient for forming the object in question.

For example:

Gold atoms constitute this ring.

Gold atoms are my favorite kind of atoms.

Also, gold atoms are not this ring. Some gold atoms are, and that's only because they are formed into a certain shape.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby MellowMantis » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:06 am

They actually can't. Lawyers were banned from using the word constitutes or even themselves constituting anything as far back as the early middle ages.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby DaftAndDirect » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:25 am

MachineLemon wrote:
DaftAndDirect wrote:
Mce252 wrote:Constitute does not have the same exact meaning as the word "is".

For example:

Organs, flesh, and blood constitute are the body.

She is extremely sexy.


Don't forget the sexy plural cousin of "is".


No

"Constitute" implies some order or interaction of the particulars which, taken along with those particulars, is sufficient for forming the object in question.

For example:

Gold atoms constitute this ring.

Gold atoms are my favorite kind of atoms.

Also, gold atoms are not this ring. Some gold atoms are, and that's only because they are formed into a certain shape.


This ring is gold atoms.

Edit: The ensuing argument is why law students are bad people.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Mce252 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:24 am

DaftAndDirect wrote:
Mce252 wrote:Constitute does not have the same exact meaning as the word "is".

For example:

Organs, flesh, and blood constitute are the body.

She is extremely sexy.


Don't forget the sexy plural cousin of "is".



Notice I said it doesn't have the same exact meaning. The word "constitute" is much more fitting for that sentence becaues those body parts make up the body; it's awkward to say they "are" the body. Just like "The ring is gold atoms" is awkward compared to "The ring is made of gold atoms". I'm sure there are situations where this is more distinguished, but I'm not going to think of them.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Geist13 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:12 pm

Dude, they don't mean the same thing. Jesus.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby I.P. Daly » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:27 pm

You guys need to stop "reinventing the wheel."

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Breezin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:06 pm

Even if they don't mean the same thing, you can probably re-write the sentence without saying constitutes.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Breezin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:08 pm

unless in real life you really talk like this: "Torts, crim, and civpro constitute my 1L spring semester."

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby MachineLemon » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Breezin wrote:Even if they don't mean the same thing, you can probably re-write the sentence without saying constitutes.

Not really relevant. You could re-write sentences to avoid just about any word. That doesn't mean you're using the best word.

Breezin wrote:unless in real life you really talk like this: "Torts, crim, and civpro constitute my 1L spring semester."

Yes, I really talk that way.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Breezin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:43 pm

MachineLemon wrote:
Breezin wrote:Even if they don't mean the same thing, you can probably re-write the sentence without saying constitutes.

Not really relevant. You could re-write sentences to avoid just about any word. That doesn't mean you're using the best word.

Breezin wrote:unless in real life you really talk like this: "Torts, crim, and civpro constitute my 1L spring semester."

Yes, I really talk that way.


Sorry you're wrong.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby dr123 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:47 pm

Lawyers really overuse the word "advise" too, IMO

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:48 pm

Sorry basic English is too hard and confusing for you.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby DaftAndDirect » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:17 am

romothesavior wrote:Sorry basic English is too hard and confusing for you.


"Value-Added" post Romo.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby TTH » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:07 pm

I just used "constitutes" in my Note, thought of this thread, and had a small chuckle.

Thanks TLS.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:27 pm

I hope y'all put this much thought into your word choice when drafting memos. You really have to or else you'll pretty much fail law school.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby romothesavior » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:53 pm

DaftAndDirect wrote:
romothesavior wrote:Sorry basic English is too hard and confusing for you.


"Value-Added" post Romo.

Always.

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Re: Why do lawyers love the word constitutes

Postby TLS_noobie » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:28 pm

Whenever the words "implies" or "infers" are used, the following statement is typically BS...anyone else notice this?




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