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smelltheglove wrote:3L gunners...why, just why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaw8dg20 ... re=related

JDizzle2015 wrote:

smelltheglove wrote:3L gunners...why, just why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaw8dg20 ... re=related

HAHAHAHAAHHA.

Extension_Cord wrote:

drs36 wrote:1. Crim
2. Discussing time required for thought in premeditation and deliberation
3. "In my research, before law school, I found that it only takes nano-seconds to form a thought. My research would show that premeditation and deliberation can be instantaneous."
4. Collect head banging on desks

I did do the research moron. Just because you didn't accomplish anything before law school doesn't make my projects any less insightful. There was no collective head banging, infact the professor agreed with during office hours when we discussed my research.

hahahahahah thats hilarious

Recently had a situation where one of the most cardinal unwritten rules was broken in my Con Law class. Professor ended lecture 10 minutes early, started putting his lecture notes together and said "Well that's all for today, unless anyone has any questions..." *four second pause and people started packing up their shit* Gunner raises his hand and the professor flat out asks "Want to talk to me after, because people are getting ready to leave?" Gunner says it is a quick question. Professor apologizes to the class and says "Alright, what's your question?" At this point people were just dumbstruck and a noticeable "What the f*ck" was said by some guy in the back. Gunner then refers to Note 3 on page ??? and our professor just tells the gunner to talk to him after class because he already put his book away. Half the class groaned and the other half just chuckled because, unfortunately, this was the type of behavior we have become accustomed to expect from this particular gunner.

Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

And who was that man? Richard Posner's cloned child.

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

Seriously, this.

My property professor used to tell a story about a guy like this. The dude took classes with the professor all 3 years of law school. Each time, where everyone in the class would score in a range of about between 30-65 points on an exam (65 being A+), this guy would score in the 90s. Had to have the Dean and registrar remove the kid from the curve to keep from screwing things up. The student graduated valedictorian and wound up working in a quiet corner of a big law firm. Got a position where he barely even needed to interact with people, just have work slipped under his door. And he loved it.

NoleinNY wrote:

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

Seriously, this.

My property professor used to tell a story about a guy like this. The dude took classes with the professor all 3 years of law school. Each time, where everyone in the class would score in a range of about between 30-65 points on an exam (65 being A+), this guy would score in the 90s. Had to have the Dean and registrar remove the kid from the curve to keep from screwing things up. The student graduated valedictorian and wound up working in a quiet corner of a big law firm. Got a position where he barely even needed to interact with people, just have work slipped under his door. And he loved it.

this sounds apocryphal. that's not how a curve works.

angrybird wrote: this sounds apocryphal. that's not how a curve works.

I thought the same. But then I realized there was no real need to go aspie on the story, instead of just enjoying the story.

angrybird wrote:

NoleinNY wrote:

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

Seriously, this.

My property professor used to tell a story about a guy like this. The dude took classes with the professor all 3 years of law school. Each time, where everyone in the class would score in a range of about between 30-65 points on an exam (65 being A+), this guy would score in the 90s. Had to have the Dean and registrar remove the kid from the curve to keep from screwing things up. The student graduated valedictorian and wound up working in a quiet corner of a big law firm. Got a position where he barely even needed to interact with people, just have work slipped under his door. And he loved it.

this sounds apocryphal. that's not how a curve works.

Yea. The guy would just be at the top of the curve and it wouldn't otherwise affect anyone else.

The explanation he gave is that the extreme outlier "compressed the curve." Plus, as noted, it would've been left that way but for his asking permission from the school. I don't know the registrar's true policy on this, nor do I particularly care; it may have been an old policy.

Even if he did stretch the truth, it's a fun story to tell.

angrybird wrote:this sounds apocryphal. that's not how a curve works.

You're assuming a bunch of professors who went to law school because they sucked at math are both capable of and interested in generating a truly perfect curve instead of relying on imperfect but easier-to-calculate proxies to actual curving each semester.

I bet an entire law school would adopt some BS cheat-sheet formula based on the number of points from the top score, which worked for years until some a-hole showed up and fucked up the works by scoring 30 points higher than everyone else.

... I think I may see where the confusion is coming from. My understanding was that the 30-65 were just what people tended to score; those weren't set in stone numbers that the professor(s) set up as proxies on a cheat sheet. When he would write exams, given the difficulty, students tended to only score between 1/3-2/3 of the possible points on his brand of racehorse issue spotter exam. The professor would then plug in the raw score and you'd get your curve.

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

At my school, it seemed like the kids in my 1L section that talked the most were most of the ones that made law review. At least from my experience, people who understand the material best in class and perform the best on cold-calls or raise their hand to answer questions happen to do better on average than those who don't.

Magnificent wrote:

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

At my school, it seemed like the kids in my 1L section that talked the most were most of the ones that made law review. At least from my experience, people who understand the material best in class and perform the best on cold-calls or raise their hand to answer questions happen to do better on average than those who don't.

lololol. So this is how gunners justify it to themselves

It can also be hard to find a correlation between talking/grades, because as I've found over the past year, pathological liars are more highly represented in law school than in the gen pop.

Ludovico Technique wrote:

Magnificent wrote:

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

At my school, it seemed like the kids in my 1L section that talked the most were most of the ones that made law review. At least from my experience, people who understand the material best in class and perform the best on cold-calls or raise their hand to answer questions happen to do better on average than those who don't.

lololol. So this is how gunners justify it to themselves

At my school it is impossible to tell. Most are pretty evenly matched and you can't assume anyone is undermotivated or "not getting it." Of my three friends at the top of the curve, one studied 8+ hours a day and didn't speak much in class another studied rarely and commented a ton another spoke sometimes and studied a moderate amount. The girl who spoke the most had some of the highest grades. Another who speaks a lot I know ended up with a rock-bottom GPA.

Who knows? It does seem like some people speak when they are feeling insecure-- I did this 1L year until I ended up at median, was satisfied, and only spoke when I cared about something. Others speak a lot because they spend 8 hours synthesizing material and background and are in a better position to comment on some ridiculous policy point.

Ludovico Technique wrote:

Magnificent wrote:

arvcondor wrote:

TaipeiMort wrote:Anti-gunner story--

Kid sits in the front of my 1L contracts class. Never asks questions. Only takes notes on key material. Gives courtesy laughs to any gunners who say crazy things. Asks questions about material to his classmates. Struggles through his only cold call. Is shy and always smiles. Wears a bowtie and slacks to class. Sits down with different classmates pretty much every day at lunch tables. Is barely noticed by pretty much everyone of the 1Ls-- most of my buds don't even know who the guy is when I bring him up.

Gets maybe the highest 1L GPA anyone has ever gotten at Chicago.

I enjoy stories like these.

At my school, it seemed like the kids in my 1L section that talked the most were most of the ones that made law review. At least from my experience, people who understand the material best in class and perform the best on cold-calls or raise their hand to answer questions happen to do better on average than those who don't.

lololol. So this is how gunners justify it to themselves

Listen I didn't say everyone who spoke alot in class got on law review. There were some people who became notorious after first semester 1L year for talking all the time but then ended up doing poorly on exams. I was merely pointing out that MOST of the people on law review were people who you expected would make law review based on their participation in class. But then again my experience could be an outlier. I was simply saying that its not always the case that the quiet guy in the front who struggles in cold-calls and says nothing in class all semester is gonna be the one who gets the highest grade.

Magnificent wrote:

Ludovico Technique wrote:
lololol. So this is how gunners justify it to themselves

Listen I didn't say everyone who spoke alot in class got on law review. There were some people who became notorious after first semester 1L year for talking all the time but then ended up doing poorly on exams. I was merely pointing out that MOST of the people on law review were people who you expected would make law review based on their participation in class. But then again my experience could be an outlier. I was simply saying that its not always the case that the quiet guy in the front who struggles in cold-calls and says nothing in class all semester is gonna be the one who gets the highest grade.

While this isn't the stupidest thing you've ever said, you are the worst poster ever

For people who do speak in class, it is fairly easy to guess whether they are going to do well or not based on what they say. For those who don't, obviously it is hard to tell. Speaking or not speaking has no correlation to how smart the student it. It's just a personality thing.

2transferornot wrote:For people who do speak in class, it is fairly easy to guess whether they are going to do well or not based on what they say. For those who don't, obviously it is hard to tell. Speaking or not speaking has no correlation to how smart the student it. It's just a personality thing.

I disagree. I said some incredibly stupid things in classes I got As in. I had my best contributions in a class where the prof gave me my lowest grade. Success in a competitive law school isn't about contributions, its about throwing down the right form (and some substance) in the right length.

TaipeiMort wrote:

2transferornot wrote:For people who do speak in class, it is fairly easy to guess whether they are going to do well or not based on what they say. For those who don't, obviously it is hard to tell. Speaking or not speaking has no correlation to how smart the student it. It's just a personality thing.

I disagree. I said some incredibly stupid things in classes I got As in. I had my best contributions in a class where the prof gave me my lowest grade. Success in a competitive law school isn't about contributions, its about throwing down the right form (and some substance) in the right length.

That is not what I meant - it does not work at a micro level. For people who talk a lot, it is fairly easy (at least for me ) to guess whether they are overall good analytical thinkers or not. That is to say, of say, the 5-6 people who spoke a lot in my 1L classes, I could easily tell that couple of them were making a lot of sense and a couple of them were bullshitting. The ones who were making a lot of sense ended up at the top of the class. Of course, there were a couple of people who didn't open their mouths that ended up at the top of the class as well.

vanwinkle wrote:

angrybird wrote:this sounds apocryphal. that's not how a curve works.

You're assuming a bunch of professors who went to law school because they sucked at math are both capable of and interested in generating a truly perfect curve instead of relying on imperfect but easier-to-calculate proxies to actual curving each semester.

I bet an entire law school would adopt some BS cheat-sheet formula based on the number of points from the top score, which worked for years until some a-hole showed up and fucked up the works by scoring 30 points higher than everyone else.

why would a professor who sucks at math use a formula at all? why wouldn't he just sort the grades from high to low and fill out some predetermined distribution like 10% A's, 15% A-'s, 30% B+'s, 25% B's, 20% B-'s, or whatever. honestly i assumed this was how most law professors assigned grades. give the kid an A+ and be done with it. not sure why you'd have to call the council of elders together and debate how to deal with this mythical law student who DESTROYED THE CURVE.