Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Bronte » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:04 am

Note that this "debate" did not start with the proposition that law school had high barriers to entry. It started when someone said that decreasing the JD from a three year to a two year degree would reduce the barriers to entry, which is true.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby r6_philly » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:05 am

Gettingstarted1928 wrote:You forgot to mention that you can get in the low 140s (maybe even lower) and get into law school. Ya, that's quite a barrier.


I still think you are missing the point. No one was arguing how high the entry is. I was talking about not making it lower.

^ Bronte, thank you

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 20130312 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:19 am

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby fathergoose » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:21 am

InGoodFaith wrote:Dear people who are quoting me incorrectly,

Please note that my post specifically talks about barriers of entry in the professional legal world, not law school, which any fuckwad philosophy major can get into.

Carry on.

can we call them asshats and douchenozzles as well?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Eco » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:22 am

You've got to be fucking kidding right? Did you read the NYT article about how LS isn't practical enough and people are graduating without knowing wtf to do?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Bronte » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:23 am

Eco wrote:You've got to be fucking kidding right? Did you read the NYT article about how LS isn't practical enough and people are graduating without knowing wtf to do?


Seriously?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby fathergoose » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:25 am

where did we come down on "asshat" and "douchenozzle"

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Bronte » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:26 am

fathergoose wrote:where did we come down on "asshat" and "douchenozzle"


Right now we're still reeling from the shock of eco's post.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 20130312 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:28 am

Asshat is acceptable. The jury's still out on douchenozzle.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby fathergoose » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:28 am

Bronte wrote:
fathergoose wrote:where did we come down on "asshat" and "douchenozzle"


Right now we're still reeling from the shock of eco's post.

ok, as long as we don't table it for too long.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby r6_philly » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:33 am

fathergoose wrote:
Bronte wrote:
fathergoose wrote:where did we come down on "asshat" and "douchenozzle"


Right now we're still reeling from the shock of eco's post.

ok, as long as we don't table it for too long.


Who knows how to do anything?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Gettingstarted1928 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:39 am

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Gettingstarted1928 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:41 am

Eco wrote:You've got to be fucking kidding right? Did you read the NYT article about how LS isn't practical enough and people are graduating without knowing wtf to do?


Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 20130312 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:42 am

Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.


Wait, so you're saying that the best clerkships in the country are reserved for students from the best schools in the country?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Gettingstarted1928 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:18 am

InGoodFaith wrote:
Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.


Wait, so you're saying that the best clerkships in the country are reserved for students from the best schools in the country?


Yes, but this is assuming law review, moot court, etc.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 20130312 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:21 am

Gettingstarted1928 wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.


Wait, so you're saying that the best clerkships in the country are reserved for students from the best schools in the country?


Yes, but this is assuming law review, moot court, etc.


Not too shocking that the best students at the "best" schools get the best clerkships.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby fathergoose » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:21 am

fathergoose wrote:where did we come down on "asshat" and "douchenozzle"

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby Gettingstarted1928 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:22 am

InGoodFaith wrote:
Gettingstarted1928 wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.


Wait, so you're saying that the best clerkships in the country are reserved for students from the best schools in the country?


Yes, but this is assuming law review, moot court, etc.


Not too shocking that the best students at the "best" schools get the best clerkships.


You obviously didn't read the Washington Post article.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 20130312 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:30 am

Link?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby jarofsoup » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:37 am

joemoviebuff wrote:Image



WAIT? Is that a bird?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby jarofsoup » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 am

Gettingstarted1928 wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Ok, then someone explain how SCOTUS clerkships are pretty much reserved for HYS.


Wait, so you're saying that the best clerkships in the country are reserved for students from the best schools in the country?


Yes, but this is assuming law review, moot court, etc.


On a serious note....do the SCOTUS pull a clerk or to out of GULC or GW? I know that they are active in those schools.....they judge moot court finals and other crap.......

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby r6_philly » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:40 am

jarofsoup wrote:
On a serious note....do the SCOTUS pull a clerk or to out of GULC or GW? I know that they are active in those schools.....they judge moot court finals and other crap.......


Since you have to clerk for a feeder judge first, they don't really pull anyone directly from the schools. Although going to the right schools get you to the right feeder judges and affords you the right professors behind your bid.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby kapital98 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:46 am

What the hell happened in this thread? A high barrier to entry exists to get into ANY law school. An even higher barrier to entry exists getting into the legal profession (but not much higher -- very few people drop out and ~80% of the people who take the Bar pass.)

R6_philly is absolutely right about the bar being lowered. He seems to be the only person in this thread that understands Econ101. Barrier to entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry.

mrloblaw is also dead on. The barrier to entry is very high but other supply factors create a disequilibrium in the market.

...On second thought, the amount of misunderstanding regarding basic economics in this thread gives mrloblaw even more credibility.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby kapital98 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:49 am

This is practically verbatim out of a Econ 101/200 textbook:

Examples of barriers restricting individuals from entering a job market include educational, licensing, or quota limits on the number of people who can enter a certain profession such as that of lawyer, and educational, licensing, and experiential requirements for people who wish to be neurosurgeons.

Whilst both types of barriers to entry attempt to guarantee that people entering those fields are suitably qualified, the barriers to entry also reduce competition. This has the effect of facilitating premium pricing for the services of regulated professions. That is, if just anyone could enter these fields, the income of the incumbents would be expected to be lower.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed how overly practical LS is?

Postby 071816 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:52 am

jarofsoup wrote:
joemoviebuff wrote:Image



WAIT? Is that a bird?


No. It's Richard Nixon. Somebody's not wearing their spectacles.




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