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Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:30 pm

Exactly how does one "fail out?"

Assume the curve is a 3.0... is this possible?


Also, if this happens, can you re-apply and start over, or are you doomed?

Just a hypotheticall..

thanks!

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Re: Failing Out

Postby WSJ_Law » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:57 pm

Miss more than the maximum amount of unexcused absences per your syllabus or school handbook.

Make Fs on your exams.

Fail to turn in LRW assignments.

htfh

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:59 pm

I'm saying, if you actually try, to a reasonable extent...

Is it possible to fail out (meaning less than C's)?

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Re: Failing Out

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:02 pm

Depends entirely on the institution you attend and the curve.

Also, at that point, I'm not sure starting over and re-trying would be a good idea.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:03 pm

acrossthelake wrote:Depends entirely on the institution you attend and the curve.

Also, at that point, I'm not sure starting over and re-trying would be a good idea.


I'm at Temple with a 3.0 curve.

Need 2.0 to stay alive and keep scholly..

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Re: Failing Out

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:05 pm

TempleU555555 wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:Depends entirely on the institution you attend and the curve.

Also, at that point, I'm not sure starting over and re-trying would be a good idea.


I'm at Temple with a 3.0 curve.

Need 2.0 to stay alive and keep scholly..


"3.0" curve doesn't say enough. We don't know if the distribution is normal. At my law school, failing grades aren't even part of the curve, just discretionary.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:07 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
TempleU555555 wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:Depends entirely on the institution you attend and the curve.

Also, at that point, I'm not sure starting over and re-trying would be a good idea.


I'm at Temple with a 3.0 curve.

Need 2.0 to stay alive and keep scholly..


"3.0" curve doesn't say enough. We don't know if the distribution is normal. At my law school, failing grades aren't even part of the curve, just discretionary.



C- and D, etc. aren't part of the curve -- they're strictly discretionary.

In the handbook, they're listed as 0% - 5% of the curve. But in speaking with professors, they're discretionary and discouraged.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:09 pm

So, it's possible if you do a really bad job, but unlikely.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:13 pm

acrossthelake wrote:So, it's possible if you do a really bad job, but unlikely.



yea, i just dont feel like i've been doing nearly enough this semester and i'm getting worried/neurotic..

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:19 pm

If you study hard, it's extremely unlikely you'll fail out of law school. I've never heard of anyone failing out of my law school (lower T1). Some cutthroat TTTs give bad students the boot, but only because it's necessary for them to maintain accreditation. I highly doubt Temple flunks very many.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Veyron » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:21 pm

At Penn, if you sit for the tests and write something, you'll get at least a C. The only way to fail out would be to not turn in assignments for LRW or papers for paper classes.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:25 pm

thanks for confidence boost!

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Veyron » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:00 pm

TempleU555555 wrote:thanks for confidence boost!


Hey, I said you'd get a C, not a job!

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Re: Failing Out

Postby shock259 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:18 pm

Yeah. Failing out shouldn't be your concern. Not to be a dick, but I would be concerned about getting a job if you are at the bottom of your class at a T2.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:48 pm

shock259 wrote:Yeah. Failing out shouldn't be your concern. Not to be a dick, but I would be concerned about getting a job if you are at the bottom of your class at a T2.



No, I know, and I appreciate that advice. This semeseter, I've had some personal family problems that have really distracted me (that were completely unavoidable), and I've just been distracted in class, etc.

Next semester, I know I can buck up and do well. I'm just hoping to stay alive.

My (near full-ride) scholarship is contingent on maintaining a 2.0, that's what I'm really worried about.

I really kicked it into gear about 3 weeks ago, with 4 weeks left, so at least I've been in the game for 7 weeks, which is really almost half a semester, so I'm okay, just getting neurotic as exams arrive...

Anyway... thanks!

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:08 pm

I've literally studied for 4 days for an exam and still gotten an A. Just study hard the next few weeks.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby WSJ_Law » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:28 pm

what a TTT question/thread. OP seems dumb and is fucked if he tries or not

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Mick Haller » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:48 pm

WSJ_Law wrote:what a TTT question/thread. OP seems dumb and is fucked if he tries or not

Op isn't dumb... Sounds like a 1L with anxiety. I had irrational fears at that time too.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:05 pm

Mick Haller wrote:
WSJ_Law wrote:what a TTT question/thread. OP seems dumb and is fucked if he tries or not

Op isn't dumb... Sounds like a 1L with anxiety. I had irrational fears at that time too.




thanks for the defense.

i'm worried the fears are rationall...

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Re: Failing Out

Postby 071816 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:10 pm

In this thread OP tries to get advice on how not to be the worst. That's the right attitude!

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Re: Failing Out

Postby RodneyBoonfield » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Hopefully WSJ feels better about him/herself now

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Re: Failing Out

Postby mrloblaw » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:44 pm

You shouldn't worry about failing. You should worry about passing near the bottom and being completely unemployable. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's this economy thing going on.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby 3L Student » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:54 pm

Yeah, like 1/4 of my 1L class was put on "academic probation" after the first semester (It was like less a C or D average). At that school, if you continued to remain under academic probation, you could be asked to leave. But most were able to pull it up. I think somewhere around 5-10 dropped out of our 200 person first-year class. I'm not sure if they left voluntarily or were forced out.

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Re: Failing Out

Postby Veyron » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:59 pm

3L Student wrote:Yeah, like 1/4 of my 1L class was put on "academic probation" after the first semester (It was like less a C or D average). At that school, if you continued to remain under academic probation, you could be asked to leave. But most were able to pull it up. I think somewhere around 5-10 dropped out of our 200 person first-year class. I'm not sure if they left voluntarily or were forced out.


Protip, this only happens at bad schools.
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Re: Failing Out

Postby TempleU555555 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:28 pm

3L Student wrote:Yeah, like 1/4 of my 1L class was put on "academic probation" after the first semester (It was like less a C or D average). At that school, if you continued to remain under academic probation, you could be asked to leave. But most were able to pull it up. I think somewhere around 5-10 dropped out of our 200 person first-year class. I'm not sure if they left voluntarily or were forced out.



What school are you at, if you don't mind disclosing (or maybe respond by PM?)

thanks!




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