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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby kalvano » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:46 pm

Done with First Amendment. Big thanks to Holly, not sure I would have passed without her outlines. Further, holy crap that test sucked. Multiple choice questions like "What Justice did not say "x" in his concurrence in "y" case."

Plus 4 smaller "What are the relevant issues...discuss" questions. 4,000 words in just under 2.5 hours. My brain hurts.


And I get to do it all again in 5 hours for Crim Pro.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby goosey » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:48 pm

kalvano wrote:Done with First Amendment. Big thanks to Holly, not sure I would have passed without her outlines. Further, holy crap that test sucked. Multiple choice questions like "What Justice did not say "x" in his concurrence in "y" case."
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how is that even a law school exam? it sounds like a test you take in 4th grade where they test your ability to memorize everything and learn nothing

why on earth owuld any professor think that is information that you need to know to be a lawyer. wow.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby kalvano » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:55 pm

goosey wrote:
kalvano wrote:Done with First Amendment. Big thanks to Holly, not sure I would have passed without her outlines. Further, holy crap that test sucked. Multiple choice questions like "What Justice did not say "x" in his concurrence in "y" case."
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how is that even a law school exam? it sounds like a test you take in 4th grade where they test your ability to memorize everything and learn nothing

why on earth owuld any professor think that is information that you need to know to be a lawyer. wow.



Closed book and closed note, too.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:27 pm

kalvano wrote:
goosey wrote:
kalvano wrote:Done with First Amendment. Big thanks to Holly, not sure I would have passed without her outlines. Further, holy crap that test sucked. Multiple choice questions like "What Justice did not say "x" in his concurrence in "y" case."
.


how is that even a law school exam? it sounds like a test you take in 4th grade where they test your ability to memorize everything and learn nothing

why on earth owuld any professor think that is information that you need to know to be a lawyer. wow.



Closed book and closed note, too.


Yeah, this is retarded. It's not like the practice of law is a memorization game where you don't have access to research materials. I never really understood closed-notes/book law exams.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby beach_terror » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:33 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Yeah, this is retarded. It's not like the practice of law is a memorization game where you don't have access to research materials. I never really understood closed-notes/book law exams.

My contracts exam last year was closed book. I think I like them better (when they're done correctly) because they force you to see things conceptually. That said, if law school was anything like being a lawyer, every class would be taught like LRW... which I think I would like.

Still not sure why law school isn't 1L as it is, 2L is all practical writing for the most part, and 3L is eliminated entirely.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby kalvano » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:38 pm

I don't like closed book, because, for the most part, you still have to know everything. The greatest outline in the world won't help you spot issues you don't know or apply the law to the facts.

But in a class with a different test for each type of speech, that turns on subtle nuances in phrasings, it seems ridiculous to not allow at least one page of notes just so I can have the different tests for incitement versus obscenity versus commercial speech versus expressive conduct, etc.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby beach_terror » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:49 pm

kalvano wrote:But in a class with a different test for each type of speech, that turns on subtle nuances in phrasings, it seems ridiculous to not allow at least one page of notes just so I can have the different tests for incitement versus obscenity versus commercial speech versus expressive conduct, etc.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at with the "done correctly" part of my post. That sucks mang.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Holly Golightly » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:31 pm

Glad my outlines were helpful! I loved First Amendment, but part of it is definitely that I had an amazing prof and did NOT have your exam. haha

Now if only I could convince myself to get out of bed...

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby snowpeach06 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:08 pm

Unfortunately, I'm still lost as fuck in First Amendment. Are there even tests for half of the things covered? I can't tell, even after looking at Holly's outline.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby uwb09 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:08 am

snowpeach06 wrote:Unfortunately, I'm still lost as fuck in First Amendment. Are there even tests for half of the things covered? I can't tell, even after looking at Holly's outline.

Step 1 - is it a government actor?

Step 2 - what value of speech is it? (Low - inciting words, fighting words, obscene, etc... / Intermediate - commercial speech, suppression of conduct with incidental impact on "expression" / High - political, artistic, offensive, indecent)

Step 3 -
If not high-value, check to see if it is a content/viewpoint based classification under RAV, if so, slap on strict-scrutiny.

If commercial speech, apply CENTRAL HUDSON intermediate scrutiny (substantial govt interest, substantially related means, directly advancing interest).

If "expressive conduct," make sure regulation isn't targeting the "idea" behind the content, if so, slap on appropriate scrutiny re: the level of speech being suppressed; if not, then apply O'BRIEN intermediate scrutiny.

If a "time, place, manner" restriction on high-value speech, use HEFFRON factors (significant govt interest, narrowly tailored but not least restrictive, and leaves open ample alternative channels).

Finally, if just basic low-level speech, just make sure the regulation isn't "over-broad" or "vague," then apply rational basis scrutiny.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby deebs » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:40 am

Doritos wrote:I got up early the other day so I could knock out a practice test and work through the E&E. Instead, I played Skyrim for 5 hours. It's been that kind of semester

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Ludo! » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:47 am

I played the shit out of Skyrim when it first came out to try to get it out of my system in time for finals. Yesterday and today were the first days I didn't play it at all. But my first exam is tomorrow. I don't think my plan worked that well

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Holly Golightly » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:53 am

I hooked up my Nintendo 64 tonight. Seems like a good way to get ready for my last exam.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby as stars burn » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:18 am

First exam in 9 hours. I'm a little nervous, but I feel as ready as I'm ever going to be at this point. I did many a practice exam, and at least looked at model answers for the ones I couldn't get too. Somehow my professor has managed to be all over the board when it comes to questions he asks....can't wait to see ours. But most importantly, I can't wait to be done with this first one...it's always the worst one.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:41 pm

3Ls not giving a shit + people on journals who took an overloaded course load are literally my only shot at getting somewhat-respectable grades. God this sucks.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby traehekat » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:47 pm

Helmholtz wrote:3Ls not giving a shit + people on journals who took an overloaded course load are literally my only shot at getting somewhat-respectable grades. God this sucks.


this.

im basically paraphrasing the corporations e&e as my outline for BA. this should end well.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby dailygrind » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:02 pm

I think I'm going to drop all of my classes and replace them with law and gender theory equivalents.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:08 pm

I just want to sit around and play Skyrim or Modern Warfare 3. With a beer in my hand. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Grizz » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:52 pm

dailygrind wrote:I think I'm going to drop all of my classes and replace them with law and gender theory equivalents.

The thing is, I'd probably do even worse because I hate that crap so much.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:54 pm

Grizz wrote:
dailygrind wrote:I think I'm going to drop all of my classes and replace them with law and gender theory equivalents.

The thing is, I'd probably do even worse because I hate that crap so much.


And everything is curved here. So even if you took some bullshit fluff seminar, you'd still have to work to beat your classmates. ugh ugh ugh ugh

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby dailygrind » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:09 pm

There's usually at least one "Law and XYZ" that could be slightly interesting, and the two that I've taken so far have been like half as hard as the standard doctrinal classes.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby beach_terror » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:58 pm

dailygrind wrote:There's usually at least one "Law and XYZ" that could be slightly interesting, and the two that I've taken so far have been like half as hard as the standard doctrinal classes.

Taking one of these w/ an adjunct next semester who curves .6 higher than our required one. Excited.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby kalvano » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:53 pm

I'm so glad to be done.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Doritos » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:41 pm

kalvano wrote:I'm so glad to be done.


lucky. I still haven't started. I have a paper to finish today and FOUR EXAMS to take in the next week and a half. Why the hell did I take 5 classes this semester. Doritos is doing 2L wrong.

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Re: 2L exam prep thread

Postby Grizz » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:43 pm

kalvano wrote:I'm so glad to be done.

So jelly. Exam on Saturday and Friday next week.




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