Might actually fail the MPRE

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby de5igual » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:15 pm

omg totes gonna fail this shit (again)

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby thesealocust » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:21 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Also, what percent correct do I need to get an 80?


I forget, but an 80 is well under median for test takers. These tests often have more than one right answer anyway; that's my theory for why MBE scores are so high (bottom 2% is still like 100 out of 200 points) and the questions so completely impossible (and the same company makes both).

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traehekat wrote:isn't this shit supposed to be like... common sense?


Not really. A lot of it is against common sense.


I think the best way to approach problems is "what do the rules permit / require in this context" - leave common sense out of the equation entirely.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby dresden doll » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:22 pm

If you got 30 right, you'd probably wind up with 80+.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby 09042014 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:24 pm

averaging 60% on DAT themis, I assume I'm cool then.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby The Duck » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:27 pm

thesealocust wrote:These tests often have more than one right answer anyway.


Eh, I over-studied for this last year for sure...but there definitely weren't a lot of questions with more than one right answer. For all of the ones that seemed close, there was some little detail that made one right and one wrong.

FTR, I took every BarBri question online and reviewed the wrong ones, and skimmed the outline, and I scored way way higher than I needed to. I surely wasted a lot of time. You definitely don't need to study that much...but pay attention to judicial ethics because those rules aren't super intuitive and they test them heavily.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:50 pm

8/10 on first set of barbri questions. i can go watch tv now, right?

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby dresden doll » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:57 pm

I actually spent most of the time on judicial ethics, which then didn't get tested at all.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:59 pm

wtf anyone else having trouble accessing barbri study software?

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby StrawberryRed89 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:00 pm

traehekat wrote:wtf anyone else having trouble accessing barbri study software?


yes. can access the lecture but not the practice tests.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby Gamecubesupreme » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:02 pm

dresden doll wrote:I actually spent most of the time on judicial ethics, which then didn't get tested at all.


Barbri guide said they are tested 6-10% of the time.

In terms of highly tested topics, here is what I have:

Regulation of the Legal Profession (8-12%)
Client-Lawyer Relationship (10-14%)
Privilege and Confidentiality (6-10%)
Independent Professional Judgment-Conflicts of Interest (12-16%)
Competence, Legal Malpractice, and Other Civil Liability (8-12%)
Litigation and Other Forms of Advocacy (12-16%)
Different Roles of Lawyers (4-8%)
Safekeeping Property and Funds of Client and Others (4-8%)
Communications About Legal Services (6-10%)
Lawyers and the Legal System (2-6%)
Judicial Ethics (6-10%)

Take that as you will.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:04 pm

StrawberryRed89 wrote:
traehekat wrote:wtf anyone else having trouble accessing barbri study software?


yes. can access the lecture but not the practice tests.


ugh probably could expected this.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby thesealocust » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:09 pm

Might not be ideal, but all you need to pass the exam: http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... tents.html (plus the judicial rules, which are also definitely online somewhere)

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby 09042014 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:10 pm

thesealocust wrote:Might not be ideal, but all you need to pass the exam: http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... tents.html (plus the judicial rules, which are also definitely online somewhere)


I'm just going to guess on the judicial rules.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby Gamecubesupreme » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:13 pm

thesealocust wrote:Might not be ideal, but all you need to pass the exam: http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... tents.html (plus the judicial rules, which are also definitely online somewhere)


This one is better, as you can see all the rules on one page:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/aba/c ... M#Preamble

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:15 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Might not be ideal, but all you need to pass the exam: http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... tents.html (plus the judicial rules, which are also definitely online somewhere)


I'm just going to guess on the judicial rules.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby The Duck » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:29 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Might not be ideal, but all you need to pass the exam: http://www.americanbar.org/groups/profe ... tents.html (plus the judicial rules, which are also definitely online somewhere)


I'm just going to guess on the judicial rules.


Eh, that's a good number of questions and they aren't intuitive. E.g. can a judge serve on the board of a social organization dedicated to enhancing the legal community. It's only like 5 pages in the BarBri outline...

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:05 am

My test center is right smack dab in the murdercapital of chicago. Fuuuuuuuck

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:07 am

Desert Fox wrote:My test center is right smack dab in the murdercapital of chicago. Fuuuuuuuck


You got Englewood too, huh?

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:10 am

traehekat wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:My test center is right smack dab in the murdercapital of chicago. Fuuuuuuuck


You got Englewood too, huh?


Yep. Whose bright idea is this. Exactly zero law students live anywhere near that testing location.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby JusticeHarlan » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:23 am

Desert Fox wrote:themis

Prole.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby 09042014 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:22 pm

Lol some ones car was broken into before the test even started!

50/50 chance I passed.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby ehshornet » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:50 pm

I thought the Barbri practice tests were a little harder than the exam - which is good; it forced me to be on my game and not at ease. There were a few questions where I was uncertain of what the correct answer was on today's exam, but overall I thought the exam was fair!

When they say 5 weeks, it is it really 5 or more like 4? Do we know when results came out last year for the November exam?

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby somewhatwayward » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:06 pm

fuuuuuck

i agree that the BarBri questions were harder (for one thing, they took longer to read overall, which sucks up time), but even though i completed 220 of the 240 BarBri practice questions with ~75% accuracy, there was still a lot on the test today that i was unsure about

i'd give myself 50/50 as well

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby traehekat » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:38 pm

yeah probably failed.

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Re: Might actually fail the MPRE

Postby barestin » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:33 pm

Would it help if I was really unethical and just picked the answer opposite of what I would actually do?




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